If you had any ethics Mr Enderle (not really expected of you though, given your past articles), instead of presenting the Oppo like the de-facto Blu-Ray player (it's a high end one, that proposed SACD and DVD A options), you would mention that players can be had from $200 to $99 pretty easily now, and that their Blu Ray HD picture is practically identical to the Oppo.
Excellent all around players like the S360, BDP 1600 or BD60 can be found in the 200s if not lower.
Need to be rich?
And between amalgaming Sony with Blu Ray (the BDA, an association with dozens of CE makers is behind the format), or rehashing stories about the DRM rootkit, you still aren't afraid of spinning things around, are you?
Well, I don't know if your paycheck comes from MS or storage drive Makers (who try to push the digital on demand), but I hope for you they'll keep the checks coming.
Because as far as journalistic credibility goes, you have 0.
Peter
· 6 months ago
Hey guys,
Let's not worry too much about Rob Enderle, shall we? He obviously has some kind of hidden agenda against Blu-ray or, perhaps, he is on the payroll of a company that opposes the format.
Or, even more likely, is he an "analyst" in search of a story that can sell?
After all, why write another *boring* (but true) article detailing the successes of the format, when you can attract much more online readership with an article trying to detail the exact opposite? (It doesn't *really* matter if such articles are one-sided, misleading, or perhaps flat-out wrong. Does it?)
Let us turn away from trying to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt over the future of Blu-ray. Instead, let's channel our energies into producing some good out of it. Let us come to support Blu-ray, a format that can *very* well bring about a profitable future for the Hollywood studios, the actors, the directors, the producers, and the movies we have come to know and love. Finally, but perhaps most importantly, let us support Blu-ray, the format that brings about an incredible and increasingly affordable movie-watching experience in the home for consumers across the world.
AV Integrated
· 6 months ago
Rob Enderle - Still No Genius
Yes folks, you are hearing it here again. Rob Enderle, the self proclaimed industry analyst who has been poo-pooing the BD format for over three years now comes up with a new way to ignore reality.
BD players? $200 from Panasonic, today... and dropping. BD players this holiday season may be available from major manufacturers for near $100 on sale. This was the magic price that Enderle wet his shorts over with HD DVD when heavily subsidized ($1,000 a player!), but makes profits for BD at $200 a player these days.
How does the article fail?
1. PS3 as a BD player is excellent, regardless of your gaming preferences. Yet, BD playback is completely ignored by Enderle.
2. Enderle's not interested in the Oppo player because he can get the scaler for less from Oppo. Ah, the Oppo is less than Oppo. ???
3. You shouldn't buy movies because they are updated? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the final update to the movie done when it was released in the theater? Updates are for special features perhaps, but most people really care about movies - not the actor you can't remember - that's what IMDB is for genius.
4. Portability? Are you freakin' kidding? BD is an infant product and may be a good bit away from having readily available portable content. But, half the movies have DIGITAL copies you can put on your iPod and take with you anywhere. Included... With the movie. No scratched disc, no skipping.
5. Streaming? Blu-ray Disc is a disc. A disc Enderle. It's not a download, it's not extras, it's not special features. It's the best HD video in the world, bar none. If you want streaming, get a box designed by a decent manufacturer for it. There are plenty out there.
6. DRM? What DRM? Every movie, since day one... Hundreds of movies through my first generation PS3 without an issue. Stop trying to promote piracy Enderle and realize that most people don't actually have DRM issues, and firmware updates from most players happen quickly and easily.
7. Renting? Sure, people should rent. Most people only own a couple dozen DVDs in 10+ years of the format. Here we are a few years into BD and you are crapping on the format?
Well, at least you are consistent.
anthony scott
· 6 months ago
I am not getting a blue ray player until they are $99AUS.
Amir M.
· 6 months ago
This man speeks the truth. Sony has failed, they still can't create 50GB discs, that is science fiction and always will be.
HD DVD is making a comeback with Microsofts help. We are releasing a HD DVD add-on for the Zune HD September 1st at an amazing value price of $199.
Experience fantastic upscaled 480i resoultion with max bitrates of 4mb per minute and steller 3 channel sound.
Please do not be concerned with red rings, we have a new donkey chip that in theory should eleviate any previous error codes. At the minimum it is programmed to randonmly assign new error code that does not fall under warranty covered errors.
HD DVD is good. Chinese HD is even better. We outsell in China 3:1.. with a whopping 3,000 units sold to population of billions :D
Remember, please bow at the alter of Toshiba and Microsoft.
Pramod de Silva
· 6 months ago
All these people who cry about the high cost of Blu ray players and discs have apparently forgotten how expensive DVD players and even discs were during the first few years of the format. Today, even upscaling DVD players are dirt cheap. The same thing is already happening with Blu. As for discs, if you are patient, even day and date movie discs eventually arrive at the US$ 15-20 mark on Amazon.
Besides, more studios seem to be following Disney's lead in packing a DVD+Digital Copy with the Blu Ray, which can be played in readily available portable devices. The DVD can also be given to friends or relatives who do not yet have blu ray.
Downloads are a pain and in any case are not legally available to those living outside the US/Canada. Moreover, I want to own a movie, disc art, cover art and all. It is something I can cherish and play again if I wish.
Like Toshiba, I too wanted HD DVD to win. But it didn't. Blu ray won and it is the future. Toshiba has made the correct call. Let us support blu ray and physical media, for a world without physical media will indeed be dull. According to the latest statistics, Blu Ray is growing really fast with disc sales going through the roof. Pessimism is not going to work.
youfailatlife
· 6 months ago
Where to begin with this heap of rotten stinking garbage....I see Enderle can't move on from his trademarked FUD and disinformation based "reporting" style.
Regarding BD Live, Enderle says: "However, this wonderful feature won't work on any discs shipped before October of this year, effectively obsolescing my entire existing library of Blu-ray discs." - Um, this makes 0 sense. BD Live is a network feature that can be updated. Your discs are not obsolete, no more so than the day you bought them for 1080p and lossless audio. And this feature is being implemented on a studio-by-studio basis. It is not a standard feature, it is more a value added feature.
Says Enderle: "Before watching a movie, I constantly have to flash my player, because the AnyDVD folks have broken the security, and the Blu-ray folks have had to update it to counter so new discs can't be copied for another week. Of course, then they can be, and goodie goodie, I have to do another five to 10 minute software update before a movie will work. I tried just watching a Blu-ray movie without doing the update last weekend, and sound didn't work. I can actually watch a streamed HD s movie more quickly most of the time. A Blu-ray disc already takes friggin' forever to load, so the update process adds insult to injury." - Really? Which movie was that? Care to get specific? This is pure hyperbole and you know it.
Enderle - Toshiba has moved on, you can too (unless Microsoft is still paying you for this trash). This constant bashing is just...unbecoming. We all know you got your rear end handed to you in the format war. Be a little bit more gracious on our eyes and minds and don't insult our intelligence with this continued biased, shill ideology.
And to top it all off, after all the drivel above, after all the recommendations to NOT buy, since bluray is "still no bargain", Enderle admits "I currently own two LG Blu-ray players, four desktop computers with Blu-ray drives, two laptops with Blu-ray drives, a PlayStation 3". WTF??? That's a lot of bluray devices for one to have if you are so opposed to the format.
I guess you must be "insanely rich" since you have so many bluray devices "to impress...friends." I didn't realize one had to be rich to buy a $199 bluray player and $14.99 bluray movies which have become readily available online and in stores.
But anyway, this "article" has more holes than a sinking ship. Something doesn't add up here. But it never has with Rob Enderle - king of failed predictions. The most inaccurate "analyst" in modern times. Still waiting for Apple to die? For that Zune to overtake the iPod? Give it a break.
Aren't you the guy that once said ""Apple will not benefit from iPhone". Holy hell, how can you consistently be so....wrong? Like...all the time?
Worst. Analyst. Ever.
youfailatlife
· 6 months ago
Uh, oh, double post! Eh, it bears repeating...
Peter Mc
· 6 months ago
Will everyone stop bickering about this format war?
Both this article and the comments from Greg, Peter and YouFailAtLife have been completely bias, but these comments are so self-riteous and personal!
heres the way i see it: BluRay, just like DVD before it is being sold at almost extortionist prices, but this is going to get cheaper in a few years, JUST like DVD.
but move on HDDVD nerds! bluray won the format war! live with it.
youfailatlife
· 6 months ago
Oh, and for the record, your comment: "The Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray player sells for $500, but has the same strong scaler (unfortunately not the Marvell ) as the $169 Oppo DV-980H upscaling DVD player." IS FLAT OUT WRONG.
The BDP-83 uses the same scaling as the DV-983, as noted by OPPO: "DVD Up-Conversion - The BDP-83 uses the same VRSâ?¢ by Anchor Bay (DVDO) de-interlacing and scaling technology as in our award-winning DV-983H DVD player."
You could at least do some basic fact checking before posting this nonsense you know.
Merrick97
· 6 months ago
This is one of Enderle's worst articles ever.
I LOVE how he has the nerve to call a comment by John Carmack a rumor that the PS4 is going to be rushed to the market.
Mike morris
· 6 months ago
As a PS3 Lover and owner I wish to apologize for the two other posters on this article who are acting a bit childish in their responses. The writer seemed pretty researched and professional in this story and as an early adopter I appreciate keeping the pressure on the manufacturer as I also have a drive that is now pretty much obsolete.
Don Sorce
· 6 months ago
As a PS3 fanatic and Blu-ray lover we need to apologize for all the childish, personal, reactionary responses to this post. The writer and the information seem pretty well researched and professional. As an early adopter I appreciate the writer putting some pressure on Sony and the manufacturers of the drives as I at this point also have a Blu-ray machine that might as well be obsolete. If I had known updating was so vital I would have waited. Plus a lot of the writers other points seemed pretty spot on although I hope that a side effect of this information being revealed to the public is not the death of what will someday be a truly great media format...
itsme
· 6 months ago
This article is 99% opinion, and opinions are 100% subjective. Epic fail. You just keep telling yourself and the 15 readers that blu-ray is failing, geezer.
RE
· 6 months ago
looks like one guy posting hate over an over with multiple accounts ;< no stalkers plz
"youfailatlife on Aug 13th, 2009 at 9:11 AM:
the entire piece is full of anecdotes and other biased misinformation."
tbeal
· 6 months ago
Wow. I am surprised by these comments. I do not own a Blu-ray player though I am familiar with them. I am glad you all like your Blu-Ray players and discs.
I have not bought a blu-ray player for the same reasons Mr. Enderle wrote about.such as cost and video quality difference between Blu-Ray and DVD. I was not aware of issues with Blu-Ray discs not being compatible with all Blu-Ray players.
Mr. Enderle sounds like he is quite familiar with the format based on all the equipment he has with Blu-Ray drives. What is wrong with pointing out the faults of a product in hopes that a better product will be produced.
IMHO Blu-Ray will eventually be replaced by streaming online video anyway.
Mr. Enderle I found your article informative.
Dmitri
· 6 months ago
Every format has growing pains.. This story still is jaded when the only BluRay player they show is $500.
Regardless, it is still WAY too expensive. In the local paper, every single new release is EXACTLY $10 more than the DVD counterpart.
Sony appears to be used to the price gouging, and slower growing market share, as seen in their stubbornness to reduce the PS3 price, despite ailing sales..
Hopefully someone at Sony will grow a brain, or market will force their stubborn hand to reduce BluRays to market pricing ($10-20).
youfailatlife
· 6 months ago
Gotta love the splash page to this website:
"Say No Way to Bluray: Even with Toshiba's entry into the Blu-ray biz, Rob Enderle can't see a reason to abandon DVD."
Yet admits to owning not 1, not 2, not 3, not 6, not 8 but 9 bluray devices. I guess he doesn't follow his own advice, huh?
Also, in regards to pricing, Target this very week has blurays at buy one get one free, or $15/disc. Walmart has several players at $200 and under. Best Buy just had a profile 2.0 player for $99 on sale. The name brand entry level players are typically $249.
Best Buy this week has blurays as low as $9.99.
These are not imagined prices folks. They are real. Look it up. Maybe Mr. Enderle could do the same.
Uncle Ed
· 6 months ago
Netflix charges a $1 premium for Blu-ray. Why isn't that mentioned? And it is a $1 - per - Title allotment (as in $2 for BluRay titles if 2 titles per rental...$3 for 3 titles..)
My PS3 has been a faithful gaming, media center, email/browser, Folding client and blu-ray player. Thank you Sony.
James
· 6 months ago
I am still holding off on buying a Blu-Ray player. The specs are not finalized and the movies are wayyyy too much money. Most movie rental places charge a premium for Blu-ray too.
James
· 6 months ago
@youfailatlife
Unfortunately I could care less about Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid for $9.99. Show me some NEW movies for that price.
I didn't think so...nice try.
James
· 6 months ago
@Dmitri
Right on brotha, who the hell is going to pay $10 more for the Blu-ray version? And on top of that you know a newer version will come out like Enderle says.
You have the regular version, directors cut, extended version, special features version blah blah. At the premium prices they are already charging, who will buy multiple versions!?
itsme
· 6 months ago
@tbeal
This is NOT a good article. Good articles point out the good AND the bad. This article only points out the negative. Obviously he has a hidden agenda.
@James
I will buy blu-ray movies for $10 more. You wanna know why? Because I have thousands of dollars invested in audio/video equipment and $10 more for a hi-def movie is worth it to me. DVD looks like crap on my setup. AGAIN, this article is so subjective. We are all arguing over OPINIONS!
itsme
· 6 months ago
BTW, I love the first line of this article. Toshiba just joined the BDA (Blu-Ray Disc Association). For all of you skeptics out there...It's usually a good sign when the "losing" format joins the "winning" format. And I guess it was OK when HD-DVD was $10 more per movie? You all are just reaching for argument sake.
youfailatlife
· 6 months ago
Then I guess you guys never bought new release DVDs in 2000, 2001 either huh? Cause they were priced very similar to bluray now.
Whereas in 2000 we had old, cheap VHS on the way out and new, expensive DVD on the way in, we now have old, cheap DVD on the way out and new expensive bluray on the way in. You guys act like this pricing pattern has never happened before.
Go ahead and compare the price of VHS:DVD in 2000 to DVD:bluray now and see how much they are the same.
Why did people pay more for DVD over VHS? Could it be they perceived greater quality/value, etc?
I fail to see how this is any different than someone buying bluray now instead of DVD.
The situations are analogous.
Andrew
· 6 months ago
I buy on average one BD Disk a week. I play these on my PS3 which has not had it's firmware updated in 6 months as I rarely use it for anything other then playing movies.
A couple of movies have suggested without a firmware update some features will not play but I have yet to see anything not play.
I am projecting my Blu-Rays onto a 2.5 meter screen and they look stunning in 720p.
I believe I am like most people and do not delve into all the extras on the disk (or at least rarely) so will not come across problems like those you mention.
So far as looking up an actor mid movie? Who cares, I want to watch the movie not ogle over celebrities.
Andrew
A1
· 6 months ago
Oh the FUD continues to flow from Rob Enderle. Just look at the comments on your article, 98% are against what you say.
No more HD-DVD lovers around to make you look good anymore is there?
Zatoichi
· 6 months ago
You're confused about Oppo's line up. The Oppo 83 is the top of the line. Its ability to upconvert dvds is only matched by a discontinued product, the Oppo 983 which retailed for $399 and didn't have bluray capability. The 980 is not competitive.
This is from Oppo's website:
* The DV-983H features "VRS by Anchor Bay" video processing technologies. The VRS technology suite includes AutoCUE-Câ?¢, Progressive Cadence Detectionâ?¢, Precision De-interlacingâ?¢ and Precision Video Scalingâ?¢. The VRS video processor also handles frame rate conversion, aspect ratio control and video zooming.
* The DV-981HD features video processing with "DCDi by Faroudja" technology and video chipset by Genesis/Faroudja.
* The DV-980H uses a customized Mediatek "System-on-Chip" for video de-interlacing and up-conversion.
* While all three players produce excellent picture quality and the difference is subtle, the "VRS by Anchor Bay" technologies cover more areas of video processing and enhancement, and can handle more tricky video contents. "DCDi by Faroudja" technology is also capable of handling some tricky video contents. The "System-on-Chip" solution featured in DV-980H delivers excellent picture for properly mastered video contents.
* On very large TV or projector screens, the difference could be noticed by experts or videophiles. When benchmarked with contents designed to test video performance, the DV-983H will usually score the highest, followed by DV-981HD and DV-980H.
Peter Gaughran
· 6 months ago
This is truly, truly awful. A new low.
You know, myself and a bunch of friends in IT (both industry and research) have a saying - "If Enderle says so, believe the opposite."
I've hated Sony's behemoth approach to new tech/standards, but they won (rightly or wrongly) here. And I can't believe Enderle hasn't cottoned on to why there's a lack of portable Bluray devices - what's the point? Bluray (& Hi-Def) were invented simply because as screens got larger, regular 480/576 looked like ****. Why would you want HD on a teeny screen?
How can this guy call himself an 'analyst'?
Hui
· 6 months ago
Another example of disinformation masquerading as information.
Who's paying you to produce this FUD-encrusted tripe, Mr Enderle? Netflix certainly should be.
Don Sorce
· 6 months ago
"You know, myself and a bunch of friends in IT (both industry and research) have a saying - "If Enderle says so, believe the opposite.""--- YOU ARE A GOD DAMNED LIAR. You are neither an IT Professional nor have friends in that field it is obvious you are a desperate fanboy who thoughtj you could shore up opposition to this well written article by trying to make out the writer as someone so incredibly well known that people make up slogans about him and go around repeating these slogans to each other. Everybpdy knows how often that happens.. NEVER! Do you and your "friends" also write these sayings on posterboard and hang them on your wall.
PHansson
· 6 months ago
Thank you again for ranting without knowing the facts or bothering to do some research. You tend to write these technical articles out of "fanboyism" not real world reporting.
If you have to wait "5-10 minutes for a download" or have trouble with playing a disc, try to buy another player. I have over 320 Blu Ray discs in my library (and I am not worried about any them going obsolete) and I have NEVER had a disc that wouldn't play because of encryption.
The fact that you are still taken serious by any website on the internet shows what the web has become. A haven for misfit, know it all's that have no business typing.
You sir are an idiot........
Joeseph
· 6 months ago
hahah what a bunch of fanboy idiots. Most of the people out there are still not buying Blu-ray movies. Does anyone understand that? They are too expensive to be mainstream!
Jason H
· 6 months ago
Rob makes some valid points:
1) early blue players, ie non-network players will become obsolete because they can't be updated to meet newer blueray specs
2) the blueray spec is not done. When it is, how many players/movies will be obsolete? Who knows.. we don't know what will happen when it is completed.
3) Have you gone to your local Target to look for blu-ray movies? The one by my house has maybe 100, with more than half of them being pretty old movies.
4) Daaaaaamn, they are expensive. The average joe is not going to shell out $25 - 30 for a movie
5) It's still early adopter. Other means of getting movies are starting to crop up. If prices don't start going down sharply the format is going to die.
Kerbe
· 6 months ago
I have to agree with some of the points Rob makes here. Bluray is awesome and show cases the reason you spent all that time and money upgrading to HD or even a new receiver with the newer Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD decoding. The first gen bluray player was a shaft to the consume with no lube. How do you explain paying a premium for a Bluray player that was obsolete in less than two years? The PS3 was the only one that survived. And Bluray live is joke and I would not miss it. I like the idea of the player updating itself but all the other bells and whistle I dont even use could have waited until they got some better ideas. Digital downloads are nice but not close to Bluray. A good upscaling DVD player is good enough for most and given the cost involved with Bluray I dont see it taking DVD off of store shelves anytime soon. I dont buy Blurays but rent. The cost is just too much.
Silly Mammo
· 5 months ago
"If you do get Blu-ray, you'd be smart to subscribe to Netflix, because buying Blu-ray discs is just, well stupid. They tend to get updated over time, making the ones you bought potentially obsolete."
I think the term you are looking for is "double dip" and it was created for the DVD format. Not a new concept to blu-ray. Nice try though.
Rob Enderle
· 5 months ago
I thought I'd let this run out before responding. There are a set of PR practices practiced by Apple and the Blu-Ray organization which are likely related and I think no longer work. This practice of attacking and attempting to discredit someone that disagrees did initially work. But now people who are undecided read through the entire string and, because they are undecided, do so with an unbiased eye. The reason I'm still around, because if this weren't the case I'd likely not be, is they form an opinion similar to my own after reading the comments and have an OMG moment.
Seriously even to some of you Blu-Ray shills and fanboys; doesn't much of this look like BS. Much is just personal attack, only the folks on my side seem to actually talk to the points, and the rest looks like either a grade school level personal attack or something left over from the last mudslinging election.
It is your choice, but wouldn't you rather buy something from folks who assured your purchase, attacked problems and made the product better rather than a firm or group that attacked critics, covered up problems, and constantly made you feel stupid by making what you purchased prematurely obsolete? It's your choice, I've simply been clear on the one I would make. And yes, I've bought a lot of Blu-Ray stuff, I think I was stupid to do so, I'm suggesting you learn from my mistake.
youfailatlife
· 5 months ago
Mr. Enderle: the policies of the companies you mentioned have nothing to do with the fact that you are always wrong in your analysis. Your track record is absolutely horrible. And as if Microsoft is any better than Apple, etc. in their business policies. Please.
I also see you failed to address the factually inaccurate Oppo comparison you made. Maybe you should go back and correct that, because you were WRONG. That is, if you were at all interested in providing an unbiased analysis. Which has never been the case.
And I will learn from your mistakes. I will do the opposite of whatever technology prediction you make. Since you are always wrong. This is a fact. Something that anyone can search for on the internet. So if anything your articles are indeed a good reference. Whatever you say, the opposite happens. You may look like a fool (yet again), but I will have made a technology purchase that will last. Unlike HD DVD.
Funny that you call someone else a shill, when you have to make it known of your allegiances to both Toshiba and Microsoft. Is it any wonder then that you are anti-Apple and anti-bluray. You are being paid by their competitors.
Though your world must have been turned around by Toshiba going blu.
Just face it - you suck at technology analysis and harbor animosity towards anyone that points out how bad your track record is. Your hyperbole in the above article is clear as a newly Windexed window. Your bitterness shines through said window.
Bluray is not going anywhere. It will grow along with HDTV penetration. It gives me great joy in knowing how much this must get under your skin.
Until your next failed article, I bid you farewell.
rand al thor
· 5 months ago
clearly rob enderle is searching for relevancy by making outrageous claims. NO one and i mean no one out there actually truly believes in what the fool enderle says.
Rob enderle, seriously just give it up man. Move on. Your predictions have failed. Your theories have been proved wrong so many times and now you just look like a jackass by regurgitating same old talking points that has been debunked over and over again.
Get a life and move on. Blu ray is just an optical format. It's not lucifer's handiwork tool
Kerbe
· 5 months ago
Why is everyone attacking Rob when if you look at the evidence he makes some really good points. I dont agree with him that online distribution can replace Bluray just based on quality alone but looking at the way Bluray has yet to take over the market in the way DVDs did leaves me to pause and wonder if I should continue to invest my hard earned case in it. The discs are too expensive. Yes they are better that upscaled DVDs but by how much. You attack Rob for his opinions and views but leave the Bluray consortium alone after the shafted every early adopter with obsolete, expensive hardware. If it were not for PS3 I think Bluray would be the next Betamax. This is coming from a lover of Bluray and what it can offer. This is coming from a consumer. I dont have any bias against Sony... I give them a lot of my money via my PS3. I just feel that if Bluray is to effectively push DVD away it needs to step its game up. I want to make copies of my blurays and take it on vacation. If I lose or destroy that copy I can make another from the original. I want bluray to stop punishing the honest consumer for buying when it does not stop the piracy like Rob points out. I want cheaper prices for the media and the media player. For all those who love Bluray and Apple so much... why is Bluray not standard on all their machines?? Marinate on that for a minute.... your bluray should be loaded by then.
Silly Mammo
· 5 months ago
I'm not sure if I'd take advice from someone who "wasted" his money on 9 different blu-ray players and then realizes he's made a mistake. Sounds a bit odd? Doesn't it? And yes, that was an attack on your personal judgement, Enderle.
dakota81
· 5 months ago
It's just sad that someone actually signs Enderle a paycheck for this. He fails at understanding technology in so many ways it's not even comprehensible anymore. Nobody has ever said Blu-ray is a product targeted to cheap penny pinchers like Enerle.
In Enderle's world, forget about the content of this article, the truth is he believes Blu-ray remains a bad value because those who sign his paycheck want him to say Blu-ray remains a bad value. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Kerbe
· 5 months ago
I see why Rob doesnt worry about you nay sayers because you give opposition with no substance. For this, he will continue to collect a paycheck and piss you so called tech gurus off. Come on those of you that oppose Rob... give him something he can argue. You cant say you suck without a reason... give him reasons!!
youfailatlife
· 5 months ago
@Kerbe:
Several reasons were given - did you read the above comments at all?
From his prediction that HD DVD would win to him saying that the iPhone would "not benefit" Apple, he has just been flat out wrong.
His article also contains a factual inaccuracy regarding the Oppo players.
For those reasons and many more, I think we can say he sucks at tech. analysis/predictions. And also just so happened to be an "advisor" for Toshiba and Microsoft at the time of those predictions...what a coincidence that Enderle was predicting the failure/demise of the competitors of the people giving him $$$.
AV Integrated
· 5 months ago
Enderle, the problem I have is that you completely have ignored every single legitimate response and you think that people that support what you say are the only intelligent people - which furthers the point that you are just a fan of your own hype.
The best and most legitimate response came from Jason above, but was in part wrong...
He said: "1) early blue players, ie non-network players will become obsolete because they can't be updated to meet newer blueray specs"
>Yes, this is true that Ethernet and BD1.1 can't be added, but the player never could do 1.1 or Ethernet features. It can still play movies, which is what people who bought it for were promised. This has not changed and doesn't make something obsolete.
He said: "2) the blueray spec is not done. When it is, how many players/movies will be obsolete? Who knows.. we don't know what will happen when it is completed."
>Windows Vista is STILL not done, yet my XP computer still works. How is that possible? The current world is full of ever changing, always improving specifications. The addition of new hardware features does not make any single player obsolete at this point, and crying wolf about it doesn't make it true.
He said: "3) Have you gone to your local Target to look for blu-ray movies? The one by my house has maybe 100, with more than half of them being pretty old movies."
> Best Buy and Amazon are some of the biggest sellers of movies, not Target. In fact, Target is pretty well known for NOT being one of the bargain stores. Yet, you are right, BD titles need to be more readily available and need lower overall pricing.
He said: "4) Daaaaaamn, they are expensive. The average joe is not going to shell out $25 - 30 for a movie"
Yet, with almost 100 BD titles to my name, I've averaged LESS than $15 per title. If people care about quality AND money, they do have options. Don't confuse normal MSRP pricing of a hot product during a recession with what can be had if people want to look.
He said: "5) It's still early adopter. Other means of getting movies are starting to crop up. If prices don't start going down sharply the format is going to die."
>BD is almost at a point of no return with adoption and consumers. It's sitting over 10% regularly for title sales compared to DVD with some titles doing better. When BD hits about 20% market saturation is basically will mark a major milestone for product acceptance and the DVD player will start to disappear from store shelves.
Already this is starting as there is no call for more expensive DVD players when the cheapest BD player with a decent disc will outperform the best DVD player on the market.
An informed consumer I believe will read both sides and ask questions if they have any. But, many people are complaing about BD and NOT buying in. Those who have bought in are mostly speaking the joys of the format. So, who to believe? Those who own it, buy titles, and enjoy them, or those who complain about something they don't actually own?
Considering the EXTREME bias Enderle has shown for several years with this format I don't think it is wrong to strong question any opinion he puts forth. But, considering the complete lack of factual information he has presented this go around, it is evident that he is just starting to realize that no matter what he says, it is incorrect.
Yes, I welcome the informed consumer who actually wants to read and hope they wonder why you (Enderle) completely have ignored the actual questioning of your statements.
CaW
· 5 months ago
Another doom and gloom article from the man that claimed HD DVD won the war about a month before Warner biatch slapped it to the curb.
Enderle = Robin Hariss = @sshat
fpl
· 5 months ago
Enderle gets paid more if more people read his stuff. If he writes boring articles in agreement to everybody else, people will stop coming to his site to read. I think he purposefully write bogus like this.
itsme
· 5 months ago
"It is your choice, but wouldn't you rather buy something from folks who assured your purchase, attacked problems and made the product better rather than a firm or group that attacked critics, covered up problems, and constantly made you feel stupid by making what you purchased prematurely obsolete? It's your choice, I've simply been clear on the one I would make. And yes, I've bought a lot of Blu-Ray stuff, I think I was stupid to do so, I'm suggesting you learn from my mistake."
WOW, did this actually come out of your mouth? You are seriously claiming that Sony is the only company to do this?
Hey buddy...you bought into a new format way early. And you weren't smart about it by not buying the best blu-ray player (PS3) on the market at the time. Not only that, but you ended up buying like 8 more of them. Whaaa?
The biggest reason blu-ray will succeed is disc space. Eventually DVD will not be big enough...CD/DVD/Blu-Ray...
Raymond Burr
· 5 months ago
The article indicates that the writer has to download updates virtually every time he watches a movie... ?????. ???????.
What?
I haven't had to update my player in months and haven't had playback issues. Is this exaggeration on the part of the writer or are there other people out there having to go through this by-movie basis update routine?
Ian Bell
· 5 months ago
@ Zero
Common man, I had to delete your post because you used your Amazon affiliate number in the links.
You had a good argument, stop trying to make money off of the others posting here too.
Ryan
· 5 months ago
I don't agree with everything posted in the article but to read through these comments is quite eye opening. The great majority of these comments are so juvenile it's pathetic.
I just don't get why people are so passionate about a product that they would verbally attack someone who writes something against it.
Simon
· 5 months ago
Let me get this straight, you want to watch a 1080p bluray in your car... on an 8 inch monitor? how many feet away would you have to sit before you can't tell the difference in detail between 1080p and 480i?
All Comments
Excellent all around players like the S360, BDP 1600 or BD60 can be found in the 200s if not lower.
Need to be rich?
And between amalgaming Sony with Blu Ray (the BDA, an association with dozens of CE makers is behind the format), or rehashing stories about the DRM rootkit, you still aren't afraid of spinning things around, are you?
Well, I don't know if your paycheck comes from MS or storage drive Makers (who try to push the digital on demand), but I hope for you they'll keep the checks coming.
Because as far as journalistic credibility goes, you have 0.
Let's not worry too much about Rob Enderle, shall we? He obviously has some kind of hidden agenda against Blu-ray or, perhaps, he is on the payroll of a company that opposes the format.
Or, even more likely, is he an "analyst" in search of a story that can sell?
After all, why write another *boring* (but true) article detailing the successes of the format, when you can attract much more online readership with an article trying to detail the exact opposite? (It doesn't *really* matter if such articles are one-sided, misleading, or perhaps flat-out wrong. Does it?)
Let us turn away from trying to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt over the future of Blu-ray. Instead, let's channel our energies into producing some good out of it. Let us come to support Blu-ray, a format that can *very* well bring about a profitable future for the Hollywood studios, the actors, the directors, the producers, and the movies we have come to know and love. Finally, but perhaps most importantly, let us support Blu-ray, the format that brings about an incredible and increasingly affordable movie-watching experience in the home for consumers across the world.
Yes folks, you are hearing it here again. Rob Enderle, the self proclaimed industry analyst who has been poo-pooing the BD format for over three years now comes up with a new way to ignore reality.
BD players? $200 from Panasonic, today... and dropping. BD players this holiday season may be available from major manufacturers for near $100 on sale. This was the magic price that Enderle wet his shorts over with HD DVD when heavily subsidized ($1,000 a player!), but makes profits for BD at $200 a player these days.
How does the article fail?
1. PS3 as a BD player is excellent, regardless of your gaming preferences. Yet, BD playback is completely ignored by Enderle.
2. Enderle's not interested in the Oppo player because he can get the scaler for less from Oppo. Ah, the Oppo is less than Oppo. ???
3. You shouldn't buy movies because they are updated? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the final update to the movie done when it was released in the theater? Updates are for special features perhaps, but most people really care about movies - not the actor you can't remember - that's what IMDB is for genius.
4. Portability? Are you freakin' kidding? BD is an infant product and may be a good bit away from having readily available portable content. But, half the movies have DIGITAL copies you can put on your iPod and take with you anywhere. Included... With the movie. No scratched disc, no skipping.
5. Streaming? Blu-ray Disc is a disc. A disc Enderle. It's not a download, it's not extras, it's not special features. It's the best HD video in the world, bar none. If you want streaming, get a box designed by a decent manufacturer for it. There are plenty out there.
6. DRM? What DRM? Every movie, since day one... Hundreds of movies through my first generation PS3 without an issue. Stop trying to promote piracy Enderle and realize that most people don't actually have DRM issues, and firmware updates from most players happen quickly and easily.
7. Renting? Sure, people should rent. Most people only own a couple dozen DVDs in 10+ years of the format. Here we are a few years into BD and you are crapping on the format?
Well, at least you are consistent.
HD DVD is making a comeback with Microsofts help. We are releasing a HD DVD add-on for the Zune HD September 1st at an amazing value price of $199.
Experience fantastic upscaled 480i resoultion with max bitrates of 4mb per minute and steller 3 channel sound.
Please do not be concerned with red rings, we have a new donkey chip that in theory should eleviate any previous error codes. At the minimum it is programmed to randonmly assign new error code that does not fall under warranty covered errors.
HD DVD is good. Chinese HD is even better. We outsell in China 3:1.. with a whopping 3,000 units sold to population of billions :D
Remember, please bow at the alter of Toshiba and Microsoft.
Besides, more studios seem to be following Disney's lead in packing a DVD+Digital Copy with the Blu Ray, which can be played in readily available portable devices. The DVD can also be given to friends or relatives who do not yet have blu ray.
Downloads are a pain and in any case are not legally available to those living outside the US/Canada. Moreover, I want to own a movie, disc art, cover art and all. It is something I can cherish and play again if I wish.
Like Toshiba, I too wanted HD DVD to win. But it didn't. Blu ray won and it is the future. Toshiba has made the correct call. Let us support blu ray and physical media, for a world without physical media will indeed be dull. According to the latest statistics, Blu Ray is growing really fast with disc sales going through the roof. Pessimism is not going to work.
Regarding BD Live, Enderle says: "However, this wonderful feature won't work on any discs shipped before October of this year, effectively obsolescing my entire existing library of Blu-ray discs." - Um, this makes 0 sense. BD Live is a network feature that can be updated. Your discs are not obsolete, no more so than the day you bought them for 1080p and lossless audio. And this feature is being implemented on a studio-by-studio basis. It is not a standard feature, it is more a value added feature.
Says Enderle: "Before watching a movie, I constantly have to flash my player, because the AnyDVD folks have broken the security, and the Blu-ray folks have had to update it to counter so new discs can't be copied for another week. Of course, then they can be, and goodie goodie, I have to do another five to 10 minute software update before a movie will work. I tried just watching a Blu-ray movie without doing the update last weekend, and sound didn't work. I can actually watch a streamed HD s movie more quickly most of the time. A Blu-ray disc already takes friggin' forever to load, so the update process adds insult to injury." - Really? Which movie was that? Care to get specific? This is pure hyperbole and you know it.
Enderle - Toshiba has moved on, you can too (unless Microsoft is still paying you for this trash). This constant bashing is just...unbecoming. We all know you got your rear end handed to you in the format war. Be a little bit more gracious on our eyes and minds and don't insult our intelligence with this continued biased, shill ideology.
And to top it all off, after all the drivel above, after all the recommendations to NOT buy, since bluray is "still no bargain", Enderle admits "I currently own two LG Blu-ray players, four desktop computers with Blu-ray drives, two laptops with Blu-ray drives, a PlayStation 3". WTF??? That's a lot of bluray devices for one to have if you are so opposed to the format.
I guess you must be "insanely rich" since you have so many bluray devices "to impress...friends." I didn't realize one had to be rich to buy a $199 bluray player and $14.99 bluray movies which have become readily available online and in stores.
But anyway, this "article" has more holes than a sinking ship. Something doesn't add up here. But it never has with Rob Enderle - king of failed predictions. The most inaccurate "analyst" in modern times. Still waiting for Apple to die? For that Zune to overtake the iPod? Give it a break.
Aren't you the guy that once said ""Apple will not benefit from iPhone". Holy hell, how can you consistently be so....wrong? Like...all the time?
Worst. Analyst. Ever.
Both this article and the comments from Greg, Peter and YouFailAtLife have been completely bias, but these comments are so self-riteous and personal!
heres the way i see it: BluRay, just like DVD before it is being sold at almost extortionist prices, but this is going to get cheaper in a few years, JUST like DVD.
but move on HDDVD nerds! bluray won the format war! live with it.
See:
http://www.oppodigital.com/dv980h/dv980h_comp.asp
The BDP-83 uses the same scaling as the DV-983, as noted by OPPO: "DVD Up-Conversion - The BDP-83 uses the same VRSâ?¢ by Anchor Bay (DVDO) de-interlacing and scaling technology as in our award-winning DV-983H DVD player."
This is different from the DV-980H.
From OPPO:
DV-983H = BDP-83:
Chipset: VRS FPGA (ABT102+ABT1018)or VRS ASIC (ABT2010)
De-interlacing: VRS by Anchor Bay
DV-980H:
Chipset: Customized "System-on-Chip"
De-interlacing: by MPEG decoder chip
You could at least do some basic fact checking before posting this nonsense you know.
I LOVE how he has the nerve to call a comment by John Carmack a rumor that the PS4 is going to be rushed to the market.
"youfailatlife on Aug 13th, 2009 at 9:11 AM:
the entire piece is full of anecdotes and other biased misinformation."
I have not bought a blu-ray player for the same reasons Mr. Enderle wrote about.such as cost and video quality difference between Blu-Ray and DVD. I was not aware of issues with Blu-Ray discs not being compatible with all Blu-Ray players.
Mr. Enderle sounds like he is quite familiar with the format based on all the equipment he has with Blu-Ray drives. What is wrong with pointing out the faults of a product in hopes that a better product will be produced.
IMHO Blu-Ray will eventually be replaced by streaming online video anyway.
Mr. Enderle I found your article informative.
Regardless, it is still WAY too expensive. In the local paper, every single new release is EXACTLY $10 more than the DVD counterpart.
Sony appears to be used to the price gouging, and slower growing market share, as seen in their stubbornness to reduce the PS3 price, despite ailing sales..
Hopefully someone at Sony will grow a brain, or market will force their stubborn hand to reduce BluRays to market pricing ($10-20).
"Say No Way to Bluray: Even with Toshiba's entry into the Blu-ray biz, Rob Enderle can't see a reason to abandon DVD."
Yet admits to owning not 1, not 2, not 3, not 6, not 8 but 9 bluray devices. I guess he doesn't follow his own advice, huh?
Also, in regards to pricing, Target this very week has blurays at buy one get one free, or $15/disc. Walmart has several players at $200 and under. Best Buy just had a profile 2.0 player for $99 on sale. The name brand entry level players are typically $249.
Best Buy this week has blurays as low as $9.99.
These are not imagined prices folks. They are real. Look it up. Maybe Mr. Enderle could do the same.
My PS3 has been a faithful gaming, media center, email/browser, Folding client and blu-ray player. Thank you Sony.
Unfortunately I could care less about Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid for $9.99. Show me some NEW movies for that price.
I didn't think so...nice try.
Right on brotha, who the hell is going to pay $10 more for the Blu-ray version? And on top of that you know a newer version will come out like Enderle says.
You have the regular version, directors cut, extended version, special features version blah blah. At the premium prices they are already charging, who will buy multiple versions!?
This is NOT a good article. Good articles point out the good AND the bad. This article only points out the negative. Obviously he has a hidden agenda.
@James
I will buy blu-ray movies for $10 more. You wanna know why? Because I have thousands of dollars invested in audio/video equipment and $10 more for a hi-def movie is worth it to me. DVD looks like crap on my setup. AGAIN, this article is so subjective. We are all arguing over OPINIONS!
Whereas in 2000 we had old, cheap VHS on the way out and new, expensive DVD on the way in, we now have old, cheap DVD on the way out and new expensive bluray on the way in. You guys act like this pricing pattern has never happened before.
Go ahead and compare the price of VHS:DVD in 2000 to DVD:bluray now and see how much they are the same.
Why did people pay more for DVD over VHS? Could it be they perceived greater quality/value, etc?
I fail to see how this is any different than someone buying bluray now instead of DVD.
The situations are analogous.
A couple of movies have suggested without a firmware update some features will not play but I have yet to see anything not play.
I am projecting my Blu-Rays onto a 2.5 meter screen and they look stunning in 720p.
I believe I am like most people and do not delve into all the extras on the disk (or at least rarely) so will not come across problems like those you mention.
So far as looking up an actor mid movie? Who cares, I want to watch the movie not ogle over celebrities.
Andrew
No more HD-DVD lovers around to make you look good anymore is there?
This is from Oppo's website:
* The DV-983H features "VRS by Anchor Bay" video processing technologies. The VRS technology suite includes AutoCUE-Câ?¢, Progressive Cadence Detectionâ?¢, Precision De-interlacingâ?¢ and Precision Video Scalingâ?¢. The VRS video processor also handles frame rate conversion, aspect ratio control and video zooming.
* The DV-981HD features video processing with "DCDi by Faroudja" technology and video chipset by Genesis/Faroudja.
* The DV-980H uses a customized Mediatek "System-on-Chip" for video de-interlacing and up-conversion.
* While all three players produce excellent picture quality and the difference is subtle, the "VRS by Anchor Bay" technologies cover more areas of video processing and enhancement, and can handle more tricky video contents. "DCDi by Faroudja" technology is also capable of handling some tricky video contents. The "System-on-Chip" solution featured in DV-980H delivers excellent picture for properly mastered video contents.
* On very large TV or projector screens, the difference could be noticed by experts or videophiles. When benchmarked with contents designed to test video performance, the DV-983H will usually score the highest, followed by DV-981HD and DV-980H.
You know, myself and a bunch of friends in IT (both industry and research) have a saying - "If Enderle says so, believe the opposite."
I've hated Sony's behemoth approach to new tech/standards, but they won (rightly or wrongly) here. And I can't believe Enderle hasn't cottoned on to why there's a lack of portable Bluray devices - what's the point? Bluray (& Hi-Def) were invented simply because as screens got larger, regular 480/576 looked like ****. Why would you want HD on a teeny screen?
How can this guy call himself an 'analyst'?
Who's paying you to produce this FUD-encrusted tripe, Mr Enderle? Netflix certainly should be.
If you have to wait "5-10 minutes for a download" or have trouble with playing a disc, try to buy another player. I have over 320 Blu Ray discs in my library (and I am not worried about any them going obsolete) and I have NEVER had a disc that wouldn't play because of encryption.
The fact that you are still taken serious by any website on the internet shows what the web has become. A haven for misfit, know it all's that have no business typing.
You sir are an idiot........
1) early blue players, ie non-network players will become obsolete because they can't be updated to meet newer blueray specs
2) the blueray spec is not done. When it is, how many players/movies will be obsolete? Who knows.. we don't know what will happen when it is completed.
3) Have you gone to your local Target to look for blu-ray movies? The one by my house has maybe 100, with more than half of them being pretty old movies.
4) Daaaaaamn, they are expensive. The average joe is not going to shell out $25 - 30 for a movie
5) It's still early adopter. Other means of getting movies are starting to crop up. If prices don't start going down sharply the format is going to die.
I think the term you are looking for is "double dip" and it was created for the DVD format. Not a new concept to blu-ray. Nice try though.
Seriously even to some of you Blu-Ray shills and fanboys; doesn't much of this look like BS. Much is just personal attack, only the folks on my side seem to actually talk to the points, and the rest looks like either a grade school level personal attack or something left over from the last mudslinging election.
It is your choice, but wouldn't you rather buy something from folks who assured your purchase, attacked problems and made the product better rather than a firm or group that attacked critics, covered up problems, and constantly made you feel stupid by making what you purchased prematurely obsolete? It's your choice, I've simply been clear on the one I would make. And yes, I've bought a lot of Blu-Ray stuff, I think I was stupid to do so, I'm suggesting you learn from my mistake.
I also see you failed to address the factually inaccurate Oppo comparison you made. Maybe you should go back and correct that, because you were WRONG. That is, if you were at all interested in providing an unbiased analysis. Which has never been the case.
And I will learn from your mistakes. I will do the opposite of whatever technology prediction you make. Since you are always wrong. This is a fact. Something that anyone can search for on the internet. So if anything your articles are indeed a good reference. Whatever you say, the opposite happens. You may look like a fool (yet again), but I will have made a technology purchase that will last. Unlike HD DVD.
Funny that you call someone else a shill, when you have to make it known of your allegiances to both Toshiba and Microsoft. Is it any wonder then that you are anti-Apple and anti-bluray. You are being paid by their competitors.
Though your world must have been turned around by Toshiba going blu.
Just face it - you suck at technology analysis and harbor animosity towards anyone that points out how bad your track record is. Your hyperbole in the above article is clear as a newly Windexed window. Your bitterness shines through said window.
Bluray is not going anywhere. It will grow along with HDTV penetration. It gives me great joy in knowing how much this must get under your skin.
Until your next failed article, I bid you farewell.
Rob enderle, seriously just give it up man. Move on. Your predictions have failed. Your theories have been proved wrong so many times and now you just look like a jackass by regurgitating same old talking points that has been debunked over and over again.
Get a life and move on. Blu ray is just an optical format. It's not lucifer's handiwork tool
In Enderle's world, forget about the content of this article, the truth is he believes Blu-ray remains a bad value because those who sign his paycheck want him to say Blu-ray remains a bad value. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Several reasons were given - did you read the above comments at all?
From his prediction that HD DVD would win to him saying that the iPhone would "not benefit" Apple, he has just been flat out wrong.
His article also contains a factual inaccuracy regarding the Oppo players.
For those reasons and many more, I think we can say he sucks at tech. analysis/predictions. And also just so happened to be an "advisor" for Toshiba and Microsoft at the time of those predictions...what a coincidence that Enderle was predicting the failure/demise of the competitors of the people giving him $$$.
The best and most legitimate response came from Jason above, but was in part wrong...
He said: "1) early blue players, ie non-network players will become obsolete because they can't be updated to meet newer blueray specs"
>Yes, this is true that Ethernet and BD1.1 can't be added, but the player never could do 1.1 or Ethernet features. It can still play movies, which is what people who bought it for were promised. This has not changed and doesn't make something obsolete.
He said: "2) the blueray spec is not done. When it is, how many players/movies will be obsolete? Who knows.. we don't know what will happen when it is completed."
>Windows Vista is STILL not done, yet my XP computer still works. How is that possible? The current world is full of ever changing, always improving specifications. The addition of new hardware features does not make any single player obsolete at this point, and crying wolf about it doesn't make it true.
He said: "3) Have you gone to your local Target to look for blu-ray movies? The one by my house has maybe 100, with more than half of them being pretty old movies."
> Best Buy and Amazon are some of the biggest sellers of movies, not Target. In fact, Target is pretty well known for NOT being one of the bargain stores. Yet, you are right, BD titles need to be more readily available and need lower overall pricing.
He said: "4) Daaaaaamn, they are expensive. The average joe is not going to shell out $25 - 30 for a movie"
Yet, with almost 100 BD titles to my name, I've averaged LESS than $15 per title. If people care about quality AND money, they do have options. Don't confuse normal MSRP pricing of a hot product during a recession with what can be had if people want to look.
He said: "5) It's still early adopter. Other means of getting movies are starting to crop up. If prices don't start going down sharply the format is going to die."
>BD is almost at a point of no return with adoption and consumers. It's sitting over 10% regularly for title sales compared to DVD with some titles doing better. When BD hits about 20% market saturation is basically will mark a major milestone for product acceptance and the DVD player will start to disappear from store shelves.
Already this is starting as there is no call for more expensive DVD players when the cheapest BD player with a decent disc will outperform the best DVD player on the market.
An informed consumer I believe will read both sides and ask questions if they have any. But, many people are complaing about BD and NOT buying in. Those who have bought in are mostly speaking the joys of the format. So, who to believe? Those who own it, buy titles, and enjoy them, or those who complain about something they don't actually own?
Considering the EXTREME bias Enderle has shown for several years with this format I don't think it is wrong to strong question any opinion he puts forth. But, considering the complete lack of factual information he has presented this go around, it is evident that he is just starting to realize that no matter what he says, it is incorrect.
Yes, I welcome the informed consumer who actually wants to read and hope they wonder why you (Enderle) completely have ignored the actual questioning of your statements.
Enderle = Robin Hariss = @sshat
WOW, did this actually come out of your mouth? You are seriously claiming that Sony is the only company to do this?
Hey buddy...you bought into a new format way early. And you weren't smart about it by not buying the best blu-ray player (PS3) on the market at the time. Not only that, but you ended up buying like 8 more of them. Whaaa?
The biggest reason blu-ray will succeed is disc space. Eventually DVD will not be big enough...CD/DVD/Blu-Ray...
What?
I haven't had to update my player in months and haven't had playback issues. Is this exaggeration on the part of the writer or are there other people out there having to go through this by-movie basis update routine?
Common man, I had to delete your post because you used your Amazon affiliate number in the links.
You had a good argument, stop trying to make money off of the others posting here too.
I just don't get why people are so passionate about a product that they would verbally attack someone who writes something against it.