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I have a pretty small room here at home 10x12 with a 7.1 capable receiver. I have had a number of people tell me I should add more speakers and I have to explain everytime why its not important to me. Nice to see the experts confirming this.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-26_16:04:04", "killed": false, "user_key": "c523dc768ab617fb216c9def9769a7b0", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247260": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "\"With the marketing of 6.1 and 7.1 surround, the industry has decisively outwitted itself. It has convinced many consumers to buy new receivers and more speakers. But it has also undermined the 5.1-channel standard, which is more appropriate for the home, slowing the acceptance of surround sound in general.\"<br  /><br><br  /><br>I love it! You are right on about that. <br  /><br><br  /><br>I am still using a 5.1 receiver and plan too for many many years.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-26_16:18:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "c4000b5a8aecbde58761adbfdac7b9ac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247261": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Great analogy...why have more speakers in the rear than in the front? I recently acquired a 6.1 system, and yes, that \"center surround\" is totally worthless unless the content is specifically encoded for it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-26_20:12:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "c9d239f8afbbafd41e1a92598746ca6f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247262": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Rather than categorically stating, \"don&#039;t bother with 7.1 for the home\", can you give us an idea of when it starts to become significant?<br  /><br><br  /><br>For example, one common \"fact\" you don&#039;t address in your article is the notion (perhaps also marketing hype?) that our ears are less sensitive to sound directionality behind the head; that an additional rear surround channel or two (matrixed or otherwise) somehow \"reinforces\" the surround images and allows for more believable, localized surround sound (assuming, of course, that we _want_ surround effects to be localized and don&#039;t buy into the dipole dogma).  That would seem to thwart the \"why more speakers behind you than in front of you?\"-type arguments.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Do you feel this is true or false, and if true, at what size room (or for what kind of listening environments/seating configurations/acuity of hearing) does this become objectively relevant?<br  /><br><br  /><br>Thanks, from a fellow drooler.<br  />", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-26_20:38:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "e69b8c299a6cfbba1d6ae7d7ba1517dc", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247263": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "When I upgraded from old Pro-Logic to Dolby Digital/DTS I went directly to 6.1 (with two center surround speakers).<br  /><br><br  /><br>6.1 does sound better then 5.1 even when the content is designed for 5.1 but that maybe down to how well your receiver processes the sound.<br  /><br><br  /><br>But there is no reason to move from 5.1 unless you are replacing your receiver anyway.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-26_20:40:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "c4000b5a8aecbde58761adbfdac7b9ac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247264": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I&#039;ve been an &#039;audiophile&#039; since the best home systems were single channel mono, and have moved to each new advance as an &#039;early adopter.&#039; <br  /><br><br  /><br>In this instance, however, 5.1 is where my systems are, and will remain, until there is an actual advance in the art.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Thanks for a needed article!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-26_20:46:32", "killed": false, "user_key": "636849113bd487ffd43eb29340274e5c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247266": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I disagree. I have a 7.1 system at home and feel that there is no downside to having additional speakers. If the media I am viewing doesn&#039;t use them all, so what? If it does, then I am at a loss with anything else than 7.1. The author makes the argument that if the media is something less than 7.1 on a 7.1 system then the signal for the additional channels is simulated, but what about the other situation when you have say a 5.1  and you are listening to something that is encoded in 7.1? You are losing out then. If someone is looking to upgrade from 2 speakers, then I say go for the 7.1, even if you aren&#039;t going to use all of the channels.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_10:28:03", "killed": false, "user_key": "0a2830d89d1d6b471f615af3d0673c81", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247268": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Good article.  I agree that [67].1 surround is really overkill at home.  The problem with having so many speakers is that the sound stage isn&#039;t wide enough to accomodate them at home.<br  /><br><br  /><br>You end up with sounds that are highly localised to a whichever speaker is playing the loudest at the time and that is more annoying than not.  The same problem exists with 5.1 system as well, but it&#039;s easier to mitigate with good choice of rear speakers.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Not to mention that most people I have seen get these 5.1 sound systems then put the whole thing in the corner of the room and put the rear speakers right on top of the main ones... and then tell you how you can really hear the surround sound!  These people could not possibly deal with configuring 8 or more speakers.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-28_23:54:41", "killed": false, "user_key": "029665d6b92b839a9f0e44c435f4c804", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247270": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hello. Great article, though I would like to disagree on a few points.<br  /><br><br  /><br>For the most part I agree with what you are saying. It&#039;s better to spend the money that would go into an additional one or two channels on a higher quality reciever or speakers, but if you see a decent quality reciever at a good price that supports seven or eight channel sound, I would still advise getting it if you are at all into sound. Speaking from experience, the surround sound effect from a discrete 6.1 channel DTS source is an incredible leap from the same track in 5.1. Also, because of the way most home viewing spaces are set up, it can be difficult to place both surround speakers behind the viewers and equidistant to all of them, something a back surround speaker can help copensate for. Finally, you speak about current DVD standards, which is good for now, but if someone is upgrading their home theater system, now would probably be a good time to \"future proof\" them for upcoming DVD standards, such as HD-DVD and Bluray, which will have the additional space that authorors require for higher-channel surround tracks. Just my opinion, though.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_08:24:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "4ed221183db31691d17e9c9982421a00", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247271": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Nice article! I definitely agree with this. It&#039;s even more true in the UK where our homes are generally smaller than those in the US.<br  /><br><br  /><br>I disagree with the receiver power output statements. Good quality receivers like Denon, Yamaha etc usually match or better their stated outputs, proven by HCC who test to destruction (neaarly) in their labs.<br  /><br><br  /><br>I certainly won&#039;t be going 7.1 anytime soon even though my receiver supports it :)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-26_21:43:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "4b61eca999c10966bd5869224e7fe4d6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247272": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I only have 5.1, but now I will not even think about going to 7.1 even though I have an Onkyo NR-801. Glad I read this article I was not aware of this Matrix or fakery as you called it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-01_00:49:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "17ddc40499e55c0afca59d542f487ddc", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247273": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Why have we always arranged the speakers in a horizontal plane? Would it help to place one in the cieling perhaps, one one in the floor? Then when the helicopter is hovering overhead, it really is hovering overhead - not all around you.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_00:18:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "0b8729abbc7be444054c9fad4a8520b6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247274": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Great article and well spoken. I have went through this exact situation with friends and neighbors looking to set up their home theatres. Unless you have a very large theatre room, 5.1 is plenty. Even my family room/theatre is pretty decent size and 5.1 fills the space wonderfully and I have never even considered upgrading beyond 5.1. But hey, marketing hype works on a lot of people.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_00:02:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "b8da49212e147f469ba59cc81b5011f9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247275": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I agree whole-heartedly with Mr. Fleischmann.  Personally, my surround system is a 5.1, it&#039;s installed in a medium-sized room and the sound is absolutely perfect. The 5 surround speakers have no problems whatsoever filling the room with plenty of sound.  <br  /><br><br  /><br>6.1/7.1 systems only become significant in enormous rooms and high-end \"theater\" rooms that are becoming more prevalent in upper-class homes.  I&#039;ve heard plenty of 6.1/7.1 systems in action in normal-sized rooms and the surround sound experience is almost identical to that produced by a 5.1 system. <br  /><br><br  /><br>So what&#039;s the primary difference of 6.1/7.1 vs 5.1 surround systems? 6.1/7.1 systems will require more wiring, extra clutter, drilling, and more hassle overall for little or no gain in the digital surround sound experience.  Rather than wasting $ on a 6.1/7.1 system, consider spending the same on a higher-end 5.1 surround system, purchasing the components separately.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_00:17:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "c4c182db858481b43939461c8ca8aeb8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247276": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "FYI, as a former movie theatre projectionist, there&#039;s only one 7.1 channel movie sound format (SDDS  8-channel, because the sub is counted as a full chance) and the split is completely contrary to what the receiver companies want the consumer to believe. Instead of 4 surround speakers, SDDS 8-channel uses 5 front channels (L LC C RC R) where the speakers can be put to major use providing background noise and  keeping the center channel clean for dialogue use. <br  /><br><br  /><br>If anyone is interested in a SDDS8 channel,  they are rare, but look for Loews Cinemas built in the last 5 years, and wait for a major Sony or WB release. And try to sit in their bigger auditoriums.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_01:12:21", "killed": false, "user_key": "0d951ec044ebf5ca437e46afab36bbab", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247277": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This is a fine article, and you make several good points...a good clean 5.1 setup is going to beat an overdriven 7.1 setup that&#039;s clipping anytime.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Nitpick: sensitivity of speakers is measured in dB/W (or perhaps \"dB @ 1W measured from 1m away\").<br  />", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_02:40:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "ab8282cd0aaddb1aafc6d1746c4c4ede", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247278": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "A more interested question would be: assuming you already own a 6.1 or 7.1 receiver, is it worth while hooking up an extra rear channel speaker?  In my case, the answer was yes.  I have a reasonably large room, and the surround speakers are off to the side just behind the main listening positions.  So having a single speaker on the back wall helped fill in the gaps a little when we have a bunch of friends over to watch a movie.  And the clipping issue didn&#039;t apply -- my front speakers are self powered (Mackie studio monitors) so all my receiver&#039;s power goes into the center and surround speakers.<br  /><br><br  /><br>On the other hand, 7.1 seems pointless.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Then again, I&#039;m definitely a drooler.  I even have a tactile sound transducer bolted to the couch, which helps make the sound feel more real, without cranking up the volume too much.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_02:48:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "7e888e3170389962baa42eee2d5cbac5", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247279": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I&#039;m willing to bet that most of the comments here are from people who have not tried 5.1 and 7.1 both in their listening environments.  When I added the second surround pair and enabled Pro-Logic IIx the change was very substantial (medium sized room).  To summarize, the surround field becomes much more seamless and believable.  I can generally localize the surrounds in 5.1 (even w/dipolars) to at least a physical plane in the room.  With 7.1 (all dipolar) there is almost complete immersion.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_11:37:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "94dc203ccb2623c691e5988f6d63dfb6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247280": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Two reasons to buy a 7.1 receiver instead of a 5.1 receiver:<br  /><br><br  /><br>(1) If you&#039;re lucky, the power supply has enough watts to drive all seven channels.  That means you&#039;ve got more spare power to really drive your five channels.<br  /><br><br  /><br>(2) If your front speakers support bi-amping, you can do it directly from many of the newer receivers, assuming there&#039;s enough power left over to make a difference (see #1).", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_02:23:44", "killed": false, "user_key": "4a3d2440fd5686c8f55f4425dd3a47fe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247281": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I&#039;ve found that 5.1 -&gt; 6.1 is a very significant upgrade. Having the true rear surround field is a big change, and even my girlfriend commented on the setup.<br  /><br><br  /><br>... And I&#039;m not sure what speaker sensitivity has to do with power handlind.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_02:53:51", "killed": false, "user_key": "44b91e77aa8faac03ab94bb9d4ae13fb", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247282": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Great article, and I agree completely.  I&#039;ve had a halfway-decent Sony 5.1 system for several years and have not been able to think of a single reason to upgrade!  What I have sounds great in the space available, and the fake extra channels don&#039;t seem important to me, really...  <br  /><br><br  /><br>I think another problem with pushing these new 6.1/7.1 surround standards is the number of homes already set up with wiring and mounts for 5.1.  If someone was interested in buying new surround gear, they could easily be discouraged from the whole thing by the incompatibility of the \"newest\" hardware with their existing infrastructure.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_03:04:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "38d41b386233f7477bee2acf6cdcb97e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247284": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "More pragmatic than informative.<br  /><br><br  /><br>It is good to reinforce the quality vs quantity argument, and not overstressing a receiver&#039;s power supply.  But a properly done 7.1 system is undeniably more immersive and capable of far higher quality than a 5.1 system.  The front 3 channels are most important for quality, but to answer your question, the front soundstage covers approximately 60 degrees, where the surround speakers need to cover the remaining 300 degrees.  This is why two surrounds of equal quality and power performs worse than four.  We aren&#039;t very sensitive to rear sound effects, so the effect is subtle and if the burden of installation and equipment is too great, then the pragmatic should stick to 5.1.  But if you can swing it, 7.1 can be incredible.  Dolby Digital IIx and Logic 7 both do beautiful jobs in taking either 2 or 3-channel surround information and spreading them across 4 surrounds.  It widens the sweetspot, improving imaging for all the seats.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_04:30:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "6d92cb4e5fa3442ae8615fa714a59ed1", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247285": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I think the marketing has gotten out of hand somewhat, but there is still a place for 6.1 and 7.1 receivers.  If one is interested in whole house audio then this would make sense.  Dinner parties and the like would be served well to have music playing throughout driven off of several channels.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_03:19:17", "killed": false, "user_key": "291314905f61f3ddef478fe8d3e7cebd", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247286": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I agree 100% that for the majority of DVD movies 5.1 is the norm. That being said, I have a 7.1 setup on my computer and there are a few games that support 7.1 setups, but I primarily use it to listen to music. Not upmixed to some funky sound matrix though, I switch my Sound Blaster Audigy4 into \"stereo surround\" and the effect is amazing. Essentially the 3 left speakers all play the left channel and the 3 right speakers do the right channel (the center channel has no sound) and the sub does its thing. The sound completely encompasses the listening area/room and provides a much richer/fuller listening experience. The only things that really rival that are DVD-A/SACD or a really good pair of headphones & amp (to which I also highly recommend). Just remember that the if you&#039;re going to listen to music of your computer and are using decent speakers or headphones, be sure to get music as uncompressed as possible; Windows Lossless format works great for ripped CDs and in some cases can improve the sound quality.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_03:44:59", "killed": false, "user_key": "2604e74077ddf837c1b364e4055f4427", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247287": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Thanks for writing this! I&#039;ve been avoiding surround sound for a long time for exactly this reason. I don&#039;t want to buy 5.1 just to find out 7.1 is the new standard. 6.1 just always seemed silly to me. I&#039;ve heard people say theaters use THX 13.1, and with the way HD has gone, I can easily envision companies marketing *that* soon too, saying you&#039;ll get theater quality sound when really they&#039;ll just be faking it even more.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Despite the faulty assumptions of the speaker industry, I will now go have a look at getting some Surround Sound speakers having read this article.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_03:38:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "214fda59c6ead5b51f397ee73cb24af4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247289": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I use four speakers and a subwoofer. I have the center channel turned off in my surround processor which sends that signal to my front left and right speakers. My two rear surround speakers and subwoofer are setup normally. My main speakers are very high quality so I don&#039;t feel I&#039;m missing much by not having a dedicated center channel and I don&#039;t have a good spot for it since the top of my HDTV isn&#039;t flat anyway.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_03:55:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "0e875a08705c5be4afbbfc850ba0c7d8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247291": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Another movie projectionist here, and as Ben stated earlier, most of the movies in theaters are running on 5.1 surround. Although we end up having 8 channels (Left surround, left, left center, center, right center, right, right surround, subwoofer) Our processors simply just create the extra channels from the 5.1 encoding and no one can tell the difference. SDDS on the other hand, like ben said, is a true 8 channel sound processor. Something I don&#039;t agree with is how ben stated that it&#039;s only on a few movies here and there. Almost every movie we receive at our theater has a sdds soundtrack on it. There&#039;s only been a few movies that do not. So the next time you&#039;re at the theater, ask one of the managers or projectionists what sound format your movie is playing in. (not an employee, they won&#039;t know what the heck you&#039;re talking about)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_04:02:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "2f77a679b472ec5d341c1192b97552ba", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247294": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Nicely explained.<br  /><br><br  /><br>I actually downgraded from 7.1 to 5.1 when I moved to my new home.  After having 7.1 for two years I decided it was simply not worthwhile and haven&#039;t missed it since.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_04:18:16", "killed": false, "user_key": "2c8d6006c603f7feb78238397c2742ef", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247297": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "5.1? How about 4.1. That&#039;s my set-up at home. Mostly it&#039;s because I just don&#039;t have a good place available to put the center speaker. My receiver is configured to do what stereos have done for years with monoaural material - play it in phase at equal amplitude out of L and R. Sounds fine to me.<br  />", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_05:07:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "41085512e87315f1338030adb6535f78", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247298": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "While good intentioned, this article only convolutes this topic and further confuses sparsely and misinformed consumers.<br  /><br><br  /><br>It&#039;s quite obvious 5.1 configurations are the still the industry standard, proof of this is bulk of the currently mixed soundtracks offered on DVD format.  While this configuration is quite adequate in many listening environments and applications, there are benefits to the use of 6.1 or 7.1 configurations.<br  /><br><br  /><br>As our listening capacity is more capable as well as critical 180 degrees in front of the listening position, the currently used three front channel configuration adequately provides a full sound field.  Evidence of this is found in the amount of information provided in these channels on most soundtracks as well as the emphasis of the loudspeaker&#039;s capabilities to smoothly pan from left to center to right.  It&#039;s possible to provide additional channels ( e.g., far left, far right, left center, middle center and right center), but due to the ability of the accuracy to pinpoint sound in the forward 180 degrees, the further addition of channels or speakers would likely provide diminishing returns.<br  /><br><br  /><br>In a larger listening environment (approx. 2,500 cubic feet or larger) where ample space is available behind the general listening area, a 6.1 configuration provides a more enveloping sound field as opposed to a 5.1 speaker configuration simply due to the fact that the additional channel, while it&#039;s signal is still matrixed from the surround signals (on 5.1 soundtracks, 6.1 discrete soundtracks are available in limited release), can \"fill in\" the area that the side surround setup falls a bit short on.  One way to possibly fill this void in a 5.1 setup is to use dipole/bipole type speakers which diffuse the surround signal and provide a broader sound field for the listening audience.  This still, however, generally does not produce the more encompassing, spatial sound field a 6.1 configuration is capable of providing.<br  /><br><br  /><br>In addition to the more enveloping sound field the 6.1 setup can provide in comparison to a 5.1 configuration, the 7.1 configuration, in which the two rear surround speakers will split the matrixed surround signal, will produce an even broader sound field as sounds produced behind the listening environment can be distinguished much easier when not located directly behind the listener.  It doesn&#039;t take a scientist to realize our hearing capacity is more prominent in front of us than behind is.  Regardless as to whether the soundtrack was recorded in 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 discrete channels, the additional rear channels help fill in any gaps in the listening area.<br  /><br><br  /><br><br  /><br>Although very few soundtracks have been mixed with 6.1 discrete channels and none (to my knowledge and that are generally available) have been mixed for 7.1, these additional channels or configurations can be quite beneficial depending upon your application or listening environment.  Most of this is subjective, but then again, so is a large portion of any auditory comparisons.  While the necessity of 6.1 or 7.1 is irrelevant, as surround sound in general isn&#039;t quite a \"necessity\", these options provide just that, more options for the consumer.  The best thing to do is be an informed consumer, for this topic, or any other for that matter.  By the way, since when is having options such a bad thing?  :)<br  /><br><br  /><br>One last note, overdrving your receiver and speaker sensitivity (often confused for efficency) has very little to do with the 5.1 or 7.1 dilemma...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_05:50:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "d5f03639eb38dad96f6178fa2fa4277d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247299": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "How many speakers am I running? Four + the sub.<br  /><br>I have the front channel panned center and fed to the left and right. In my 10&#039; x 10&#039; living room, I don&#039;t hear the difference, and it means I can use the true 55W RMS per channel JVC amps that have served me so well for so long.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_14:13:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "c4f717bc7ccf423fbd813057e555fd1f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247300": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I disagree with your arguement, but only on the grounds that you&#039;re being short sighted.  In regards to DVD playback you are undeniabley correct: unless you&#039;re using 6.1 or 7.1 equipped media you&#039;re getting nothing better than 5.1<br  /><br><br  /><br>But DVDs are not the only thing that I have hooked up to my receiver.  I&#039;ve also got my PS2 and my XBox in there.  Although they may only be sending 5.1 signals, their newer conterparts may very soon come with 6.1 and 7.1 encoding capabilities.  As it turns out, I am a university researcher in surround sound, focusing on applications in video games and let me say that dynamically generating spatialized surround sound tracks is well within the realm of possibility of the current video game consoles.  There are already PC games that will do it (given that you have a pretty nifty sound card).  I&#039;m not suggesting that anyone should run out and buy a 6.1 or 7.1 system, but before you write them off, consider that DVDs may not be the only thing getting played back through these systems.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_04:29:52", "killed": false, "user_key": "aeebefd5267a74b75fb8167c0cb47fbf", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247301": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "To Chris,<br  /><br><br  /><br>I think you are missing the point. Mark is explaining that in a smaller room 7.1 is a waste because a 5.1 setup give you enough \"sound fields\" to cover the area. Your arguement only stands true in a larger room or movie theater.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_04:35:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "c4000b5a8aecbde58761adbfdac7b9ac", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247302": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition DVDs are all in DTS-ES (6.1 discrete).  Enough of a reason to have 6.1+ imho.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_05:59:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "bd580fb2528c23bcd9c83f18696b522f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247303": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The fact is, everything since 4-channel has been smoke and mirrors. With a 4-channel system, you can put a sound source *anywhere* in a rectangular space. Including front and center (no need for a center channel at all.) You need (a) sub(s) if you want to go with small visible radiators; but you can put a passive sub on the front set (or both sets) and you&#039;d be fine AND you would have spent less money. The upshot of all this is that a Marantz \"quadrophonic\" (4-channel) receiver from the 1970&#039;s can decisively outperform all but the high end of \"Dolby surround\" systems. I own both: A high end Denon 7.1 system and the aforesaid Marantz. The Marantz sounds better. Much better. Unfortunately, today&#039;s encoding requires something like the Denon to break out the four channels, so as consumers, we&#039;re forced into buying 5.1 decoding or more no matter what we do, if we want surround. Basically, we&#039;ve been screwed. And yes, of course 6.1 and 7.1 are total ripoff formats. So is 5.1! It all comes down to the gullability of the consumer (huge) and the urge to sell \"new stuff\" of the marketroids (also huge.) A marriage made on the short bus.<br  />", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_05:39:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "e29b22b15d3b156ca2b73b4223efab9b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247304": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Chris,<br  /><br><br  /><br>You talk about \"widening the sweetspot\", but the fact is, the sweetspot is very much a factor of how wide the stereo field is (front and rear.) Not of 5, 6,, or 7 channels, but of two pair, no more, no less. Once an audience member is sitting close enough to any major radiator (front left or right) that it takes priority over any other, the sweetspot is long gone. And the fact is, a 4-channel system can and will produce a wider sweetspot than one that has an additional center channel, specifically because  the L/R speakers are producing the center information and it will slide with the L/R information as the listener&#039;s position moves, which is NOT the case if you have a center channel.<br  /><br><br  /><br>5.1 is perfectly sufficient, as is 4.0 or 4.1 or 4.2. All else is marketing hype.<br  /><br><br  /><br>By the way, I&#039;m an engineer who specializes in acoustics, and I own multiple surround systems, the absolute best performer among the bunch is a Marantz 4270 set up as 4.2 (that is, a passive sub for each of the front and rear pairs.) Everyone who listens to my comparison setup agrees. I&#039;m sure you would too, if you could but visit me in Montana. :)<br  />", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_05:39:26", "killed": false, "user_key": "e29b22b15d3b156ca2b73b4223efab9b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247305": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "What nobody&#039;s really mentioned is that 6.1 and 7.1 are only important in larger rooms where the layout of speakers and furniture is ideal. If your room is small enough to get adequate coverage from two rear/side channels, or your couch is against the back wall, for example, a rear center (or two) isn&#039;t going to help you at all. <br  /><br><br  /><br>Of much more use than going out and buying a couple of extra speakers is buying something of high quality that can produce realistic sound. And, buying a receiver or amp that puts out some real, honest wattage to drive them.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_05:34:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "486b4e381e637cb85e66af1ee8072330", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247308": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "A few years ago I bought a huge setup of Polk speakers in 5.1 surround sound, but my reciever was backordered for a month, so my old reciever stayed for a while. When the new reciever came in, everyone looked at it and said \"man, that 6.1 sounds amazing compared to any 5.1 i&#039;ve ever heard.\" The real amazing thing is that my reciever has never been in 6.1 mode, and i dont even have enough speakers for it :)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_05:58:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "637b00305217e7e11468f5782a8dfda4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247310": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "rule #1 do not mix speakers. even if they&#039;re the same brand, make sure they&#039;re timbre matched, especially for all front channels. <br  /><br><br  /><br>also, i find that some movies sound much better in 4.2 matrixed from the 2.1 channel dolby track, simply because they had a terrible sound engineer mix for the dvd.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_05:57:58", "killed": false, "user_key": "a359e1e6eafb72a9a7f711baead76d4a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247311": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Also, i agree with using bipole dipole speakers in 5.1. Flipping that switch makes a big difference :)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-27_06:03:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "a359e1e6eafb72a9a7f711baead76d4a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247312": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "OK, OK OK...<br  /><br><br  /><br>5.1 is fine, but the amount of room needed for a decent system, above 5.1, is shameful, if you want an AFFECT...<br  /><br><br  /><br>Still wish to go back to Full positional Quad..In the end, its only 4 speakers and 1 center channel.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-02_06:34:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "271fbaf7f4c6aa641e81f68464369fce", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247313": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have a 7.1 setup at home, mostly because I could. I find it near impossible to find any content that is encoded at 6.1 or 7.1 so I end up using the system as a 5.1 rather than \"faking\" the extra rear channel. So I will agree, 7.1 is overkill. There is no content and most rooms do not need the extra sound fields for the space. <br  /><br><br  /><br>I question the clipping comment. I have a Harman/ Kardon AVR 630 and I have not heard any clipping pushing all 7 speakers at full volume, but that is usually deafening. Normal viewing I play at -30 to -40 and \"movie night\" with a full house I play at -20 at most.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-02_09:45:29", "killed": false, "user_key": "17f720c74400e08c18e394a45a8dc75b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247314": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Very very nice! Thanks!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-03_03:47:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "eb4ca234f75a0e383d67134a967dcabe", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247316": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I find that 5.1 is adequate now, but I am going to be getting an hd dvd player and later a blu-ray player.  My understanding is that there is a provision for a full 7.1 (8 full channels) discrete channel set up.  Once they start using all those channels, I think there might be some compromise in limiting yourself to 5.1 speaker system.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-28_01:59:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "01e703d840e8347d2f39d01948aa24ee", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247317": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I&#039;ve got 7.1 and it helps my setup. I don&#039;t have optimal speaker mounting positions -- my seating position spread out over two couches that meat at a 90 degree angle. My speakers are by neccesity too close to the couch. Someone on the far wings of the couch is going to get one surround right in the ear and the other all the way across the room. Now then, when my setup transcodes 5.1 -&gt; 7.1 it smoothes out the sound between the two left surrounds and the two right surrounds, diffusing the rear sound more smoothly over a wider area. The same person now only gets like half the sound in his ear and the other part behind him. The opposite surround is still across the room, but there&#039;s also one nearer his position. So we&#039;ve improved that persons&#039; soundstage in both regards -- the too near speaker is less loud and less directional, and the to far speaker is louder. In the center of the soundstage (the meeting point of the couces) there&#039;s not a huge difference, but basically the rear effects are better blended than with a 5.1 setup.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Of course it helps that my receiver is rated an honest 110w x 7 and actually has the current to feed 7 channels without issue.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Finally, both next-gen high def DVD standards support true 7.1 through TrueHD. So the arguement that there is no 7.1 source material is soon to be false. Not that there are any receivers to take advantage of it yet...", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-28_04:17:28", "killed": false, "user_key": "5969310a0a6e06ada693625191eb2774", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247319": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have had Dolby 5.1 since I used Laserdiscs. That was several years ago. A year ago I got a new receiver which supports Dolby DTS. Now, I have seven speakers and a subwoofer. I sure can hear the diffeence. I love this new system and just wish I had more movies that take advantage of it.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-28_07:45:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "3f45ff53409294dcc2efb3a6f41e709b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247322": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Truly I believe that 5.1 is the more impactful medium, however 7.1 has its place.  In large theater environments (even in homes) 7.1 is a much more enveloping experience.  However most receivers don&#039;t have the firepower to bring that out.  I believe if you are going 7.1 you need to own either a flagship receiver, or separates.  You also need a rather large dedicated space as the correct acoustics for 7.1 are very difficult to acheive in the average living room/den setup.  Even bedroom theaters are too small.  My 27x20 foot space works well with 7.1 as I can directly tell the difference between it now and when it was 5.1, but again, we need more content for it to be more ubiquitous.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-28_19:03:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "af2307022306de047a13b9c23ce892c9", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247324": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I agree with everyones point of view, overkill soundfield etc. The point is, if you use your 7.1 system for MUSIC in addition to movies it is a fantastic option.  <br  />", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-01_05:17:57", "killed": false, "user_key": "eb19d5cc87e1cdd9970cf9e7fac93c4e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247325": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Please do not make me confess, or should I just stick with 2ch sound, why get 6 speakers when 2 will do, or just one speaker, ?Why does Rice play Texas?, OKAY I confess, 7.1 is better, sounds better, oops I will have to read up and see if my receiver is about to mess up SACD and DVD-a, but I bet it has a setting to keep that under control.  BUT wait, the sound engineer put full spectrum sound in my sub woofer channel, and another one of those guys wants me to hang the surround channels from the ceiling, now I need HELP????????.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-01_04:03:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "2de6d601862530749e57a5982a0795dd", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247326": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Terry Miller: There is no such thing as Dolby DTS.  Dolby has nothing to do with DTS.  DTS is superior in every way because of this fact.  The only thing DTS doesn&#039;t have is the household name - people expect Dolby is surround sound in the same way they expect VHS is VCR.  Dolby got in first with an inferior product that they marketed better.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-02-28_23:58:18", "killed": false, "user_key": "029665d6b92b839a9f0e44c435f4c804", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247327": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I am going to agree partially with Chris.  I don&#039;t think 6.1/7.1 will matter to most, but I personally miss some of the non-directional effects of my old Pro Logic listening with Dipole speakers yet still want the direction sound from both sides behind me.  I do understand 5.1 can mimick the effect of a dipole pair, but some particular sounds are just not mimiced as well with 5 directional speakers as they can be with well located dipoles.  If you have to make a pretty good sacrific on components to complete the 7.1 for what you want to spend of course go for the 5.1. But if you can go all out, even for a small room the addition of some good dipoles adds to the sonic experience no doubt.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-01_14:02:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "0933e99784c69fa211c3d9bdaf3329ab", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247329": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "As someone who uses 6.1 daily, I strongly disagree with this article.  About two years ago I purchased a new reciever, and it had 6.1, even though I only had 5 speakers in my setup.  Being the home theater nerd, I pulled some junky speakers out of my closet and wired them up with some spare wire.  I was impressed.  Today, my listening room is quite small, yet 6.1 makes a huge difference.  (I strech the rear center channel between two speakers.)  DTS Neo:6, my prefered decoder for 2-channel source material, sounds much more natural in 6 channels.  5.1 DVDs likewise sound better because the soundfield spreads naturally behind me.  (I don&#039;t use the rear-center for DVD-A/SACD.)  6.1 and 7.1 aren&#039;t \"break the bank\" features, but home theater enthusiasts like me will certainly enjoy them!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-02_16:48:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "bddac0ef2932cd4cc45e4ee85c21e13a", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247330": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Well I&#039;m of two minds.  For NOW 5.1 is fine, however with the advent of HD, I suspect you&#039;ll find there is more detail to be had in 7.1 systems.  And honestly even by that I refer to 6.1 as well by simply the added detail of a far rear surround.  If your ears are good there is an effect to be had and notice from such a system.  What I think your article does, however is point out that there is not MUCH need presently and even in the near future for more than 5.1.  I have the 7.1 setup but a receiver that currently only does 6.1.  I did not hook up the far rears yet, and I am primarily not doing so because the full HD format war has not come to an end, nor are there receivers out that yet fully resolve the new standards (well that are affordable).  I did use the Klipsch option because I was aware of the soundfield and sensitivity issue, but most folks are happy to walk home with a tiny Bose system that performs in mediocre fashion and call it a day.<br  /><br><br  /><br>What I think you alluded to, but should have stated strongly is that you are far better off spending any money you&#039;d have spent on a 7.1 system on BETTER 5.1 parts.  Taking home more, but far less quality speakers and amp, is not going to do anything to give you enjoyment from the money spent.  And that is key.  The only reason I went to 7.1 on the speaker side is because I upgraded my side surrounds to a better quality level and I didn&#039;t have much to do with the previous ones, so I just moved them to the rear.  I don&#039;t care if they add much, they were a freebie from that angle.  I did, and advocate to others spend money well on the primary 5.1 arrangement.<br  /><br><br  /><br>The next gen standards are almost here, but the content will still take time to make anything worthwhile.  By this time next year, however you might sing a slightly different tune in regards to 6.1/7.1.  Again, we all too often justify that for spending money now which is foolish.  These items get better quality and cheaper as time moves on and 1 year can be a big change.<br  /><br><br  /><br>So you are right, 5.1 for now, but bear in mind to keep an eye (or ear in this case) on the new standards that are just about for sale, and weigh that into next year&#039;s column.<br  /><br><br  /><br>:)<br  />", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-05_11:59:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "b0769fa73c71c75e62a5bab9da7e4224", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247331": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hey why not just hook up an insane amount of speakers like I did for movie night at my house. I have 5.1 running off my sound card in my pc. I play everything through my pc and then just put splitters on my card so I have 5 seperatly powered speaker systems oriented all around the room so that the volume on each individual speaker can be lower. This allows people sitting close to a speaker to not be overwhelmed and turns the entire room into a sweet spot:D<br  /><br><br  /><br>Here is my setup. I have a 5.1 speaker set hooked up to proper jacks. I have a splitter that puts two 2.0 speaker sets on the front right and left channels, two 2.0 speaker sets on the rear left and right channels, a special splitter takes stereo signal and creates different monotone signals from the sub and center channels port. This lets me hook up the center channel to my tv giving more center producing speakers(at a lower volume) when it is actually used and the sub channel to an additional sub when the extra umph is needed in say a combat game when you fire a gun. You are hit by the bass from two different dirrections so it feels like you are right in the middle of it instead of off to the side.<br  /><br><br  /><br>You may say im crazy but thats ok because my setup sounds so encompassing there is no comparision for the price I paid. My 5.1 cost only $60 and each of the 2.0&#039;s cost $5 a set and the five splitters cost $2.50 a piece and yes they are gold plated. I always shop around looking for good deals. Using four 2.0 speaker sets allows you to perchase cheap ons as you find them. I have two different types and yet they all look beautiful. Oh and to make me sound a little less extreme here is a link to a site where a guy has 24 true seperate channels in his house running off of his pc:<br  /><br> <a href=\"http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000477034692/\" title=\"http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000477034692/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000477034692/</a><br  /><br><br  /><br>Enjoy<br  /><br>~putergeek", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-08_14:44:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "94b4475309ade816fc486fae9bba749c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247333": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I imagine setting up a 6.1 or 7.1 system would be quite a hassle for most people. The extra speakers just don&#039;t offer a clear advantage over a 5.1 setup. I&#039;d rather save the money and purchase a quality set of 5.1 speakers or a better receiver/amplifier.<br  /><br><br  /><br>On my PC I have yet to hear better sound than from my Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1--and I&#039;ve tried Logitech, Boston Acoustics, Creative, and other major brands. Some may be louder (like Logitech) but not as accurate.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-03-07_17:32:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "e25c5559e0a7aecf1051743bd84e2ab4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247334": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I entirely agree with Mark. Owning a 7.1-capable receiver and having hooked up 5.1 speakers, I have my dvd, Xbox, Xbox 360 and PS2 all connected digitally to the receiver. 5.1 speakers are source-faithful and more than adequate to meet my dvd-watching and gaming needs.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-09_20:51:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "b307ffb94ea4e27b1ceaa9bf42223c2c", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247335": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have a 7.1 system that includes a seperate power amp.  The biggest difference I notice (in movies) is the rear sound seems more encompassing.  Not a hugh difference from 5.1 and yeah the 6th and 7th channels are mostly \"fake\" but it is an enjoyable", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-14_23:17:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "1945618b2903a8b9bae4ffee4b9f4e71", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247336": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have a 7.1 system that includes a seperate power amp.  The biggest difference I notice (in movies) is the rear sound seems more encompassing.  Not a hugh difference from 5.1 and yeah the 6th and 7th channels are mostly \"fake\" but it is an enjoyable and noticable difference.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-06-14_23:17:55", "killed": false, "user_key": "1945618b2903a8b9bae4ffee4b9f4e71", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247337": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Actually I&#039;m on here doing research because of my new job at Best Buy.  My boss told me it is of upmost importance to learn these.  I think it&#039;s more of a marketing strategy to talk people into buying the 7.1, and if not better the 5.1 than nothing at all.  Only thing is, customeers know when you are trying to make a sale and you are trying to really be helpful.  At least I know I can tell.  Anyway I&#039;ll just go by what I&#039;ve learned here as far as space in their theatre room or if the person is a tech geek and likes the latest gadgets.  Thanks for all the helpful info.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-07-16_12:24:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "6bb654699eb3c21780334f44d536f93d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247338": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Why have more speakers in back than in front? For one, about 60-70% of what you hear in music and theater is reflected, not direct. In a movie mix, it is often much more than that at certain points in time. As the media improves (HD, BlueRay) you&#039;ll see more mixes exploiting the improved surround capacity. So if you have a 5.1 system, enjoy. If you&#039;re doing something new, I&#039;d advise you think about where things are headed.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-03_03:45:47", "killed": false, "user_key": "4fecc5f1baa5da9fd8f2ce38ca422aa7", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247339": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "All this about 5.1 and 7.1 is fine but the real point is what you want out of the audio setup and where are you going to be listening. Room size is critical in determining what kind of setup you end up with that will do what you want to do.<br  /><br><br  /><br>A listening area of less then 300 sq ft is completely different as to the system required. Most important is what you will use for. If it&#039;s home theatre and less than 300 sq ft, then 5.1 will do just fine. But if you are like me and have some 600 sq ft with ten foot ceilings then 7.1 makes a lot more sense for creating the immersive threatre experience.<br  /><br><br  /><br>If you want classical music then spend all you money on two speakers and a sub and the amp. Rock music the same except the sub is a little more important. Like it loud then more power. For games the surround part becomes important. <br  /><br><br  /><br>Most people don&#039;t appreciate all the fine detail available in an expensive system. The trick is to determine what \"you\" want and where you are going to have all this fun. Doing movies right requires more room and more money to get those \"star wars\" effects. The type of music makes the job different and the equipment a lot different. My advise is to start off small and grow into the type of system you really need and want. No one listens - they spend the most they can afford to get the biggest and baddest immediately. And they usually love it.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Another thing all this misses is content. A bad movie or a bad song won&#039;t be any good no matter how much you throw at equipment. The best movie experience I ever had was watching for the first time, \"Silence of the Lambs\", on a thirty inch ten year old Magnavox CRT TV with the two little tv speakers providing my audio. It&#039;s all about content to me. The equipment might make it a better experience, but it&#039;s still the content that immereces you in that reality. Eric is great on my little bitty computer speakers.<br  /><br><br  /><br> <br  />", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-10-04_17:48:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "f22c0c029b84f20d31cb347478338048", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247340": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "From my personal experience I have to agree with this artical for the most part. As I went to blockbuster today, they only have 2 movies with 6.1 the rest was 5.1 and lower. But my opinion on the 5 vs. 7 speakers, I think 7 is much better, couse like say if a missile was launched from behind you then the sound would come from behind you fading to the side surround to the front. It is really quiet awesome, even though I have only experienced this with 1 movie so far. I imagine more 6.1 and 7.1 movies will come out.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-12-18_15:45:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "b119afae3d0c2db7955b1767fc9a913e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247341": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I&#039;ve had a thx certified 7.2 system for over a year.  I used my old receiver for the rear speakers. I have a front pair of speakers with fifteen inch woofers, I used the TV speakers for the center and all my side and rear speakers have twelve in woofers.  Total power around nine hundred watts.  Till blueray came out used a digital VHS with D=theater 7.2 sound.  I do all this in a sixteen by twenty foot room.  Overkill  Yes but don&#039;t let any of these guys tell you it doesn&#039;t sound great.  Letting the system play music this way has to be heard to be believed. Santa&#039;s bringing me a blueray player.  The next generation is here. So if money is no object or your just a little nuts like me  go the seven two route", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2006-12-21_09:25:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "39ce408d2e6ecc07d64da6f3239ee470", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247342": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have solved the problem. I am getting an Onkyo HT-S790 which is a 7.1 However I am putting the two rear behind you speakers in my hope chest and hope one day I can take them out and use them instead of buying a new system. I believe in the next 5 to 7 years most dvd&#039;s will be in 7.1.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-08_11:48:39", "killed": false, "user_key": "c7645c547b13bd8d76226794f2576dbb", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247343": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "hey listen here all you fags and drags! a nice 2 channel system (paradigm speakers, denon amp) can really make you think about most 5.1 systems, if you really want a true natural and not over hyped system get a denon 5.1 amp matched with the paradigm(or infinity) speakers and you will forever laugh at any 6 or 7.1", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-17_21:22:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "e7b07feb09aa1b3ff0e31055ab23766f", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247344": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "What a sensible review of surround which is practical and eliminates the ridulousness of ever-expanding multichannel formats with the finite space of a house or apartment! Mark makes excellent points of quality over quantity and not being overwhelmed with gimicky multi-channel formats.<br  /><br> Now if Mark can bring his expertise in a similar way to understanding the HDTV world including the need to upgrade channel or satelite TV in order to get a HD signal. How much is HDTV of this going to cost when said and done?<br  /><br>Thanks for bringing quality audio and visual electronics down to earth!!<br  /><br>Jon", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-01-25_14:48:31", "killed": false, "user_key": "23b0da3ffd3104aadd24033181f1964e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247345": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This article was written years ago. And certainly as of this year, with all the hype over the Blu-Ray and HD DVD formats over, theatre systems have certainly come along way. <br  /><br><br  /><br>With Blu-Ray winning by a wide margin, and with movie companies favoring the format, this is certainly an exciting time for surround sound. <br  /><br><br  /><br>5.1 has been for many years been the norm for many if not every dvd release. But obviously with the invention of High def movies, and the capability of 7.1 sound, it makes sense that obviously this is the next stage in home entertainment.<br  /><br><br  /><br>It happened with music too. Cassettes, vinyl, and obviously cd coming out on top.<br  /><br><br  /><br>And the same with video, including video cassettes, dvd, and now High Def dvd&#039;.<br  /><br><br  /><br>And obviously with the new HD format, you get better sound too. You get to be even more immersed in the sound that films bring.<br  /><br><br  /><br>So i would recommend moving with the age were in. A digital revolution. We are seeing it in Digital Cinema, and now obviously we get to have that in the consumer market also.<br  /><br><br  /><br>7.1 set up is the way to go, but obviously, unless the price of receivers and speakers as a package or sold separately come down, and if the systems and their capabilities are explained to the people who become confused with the technical stuff, i think it will ultimately always be people with 7.1 Blu-Ray surround set ups, vs. people with 5.1 dvd.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Thats the choice we have. Im gonna go figure for a bit, and wait for prices to come down, and for the market to become much clearer with any luck.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-06-25_17:06:22", "killed": false, "user_key": "f03eacf83a531f0fbff9e42b62a2ffd8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247346": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hi guys!<br  /><br>I really enjoyed reading the article and replies. Thank you! However, I have one question regarding the 7.1-&gt;5.1 backwards compatibility. If I setup my speakers according to 7.1 scheme and listen a 5.1 source I assume that the rear surround speakers will not be used and only surround speakers (pointed at my ears) will be used. However, according to 5.1 requirements rear surround speakers should be behind a person, not perpendicular to his head. <br  /><br><br  /><br>Thank you for an answer!<br  /><br><br  /><br>(sorry for my English)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-07_05:14:48", "killed": false, "user_key": "46944bb3f7043239b557bc53ea1ddfba", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247350": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Regarding your question. From my knowledge of surround sound. And more over the difference between 5.1 and 7.1 functionality. <br  /><br><br  /><br>I believe that, if you had a 7.1 setup, but was watching say for example a dvd that had a 5.1 soundtrack, the sound would be output from the speakers to the very rear. Not to the speakers (Pointing at your ears)<br  /><br><br  /><br>Hope this helps. Tell me if im wrong : ]", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-07-15_13:52:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "f03eacf83a531f0fbff9e42b62a2ffd8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247351": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "You have to remember that this article was written in Feb &#039;06 and what amazes me is that things are just starting to pick up for 7.1 surround sound.  As stated above, the next gen video game systems has things that support it and many of them have to have the latest HDMI capabilites to run it.  Still, I don&#039;t see where I have space behind my couch (which is against the wall) to put the two rear speakers.  I just ordered a 7.1 system, but I will most likely be using only 5 speakers and a sub.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-19_09:02:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "229e568f8758a1adfbd1441edb861c9e", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247352": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Since 1985, I had been running 2.0 from a Scott system. Kinda more like 2.1, since the 2 Jensons have 15\"&#039;s in them to begin with (found the resonant frequency of the house when I plugged my fretless longneck into the 1/4\" input of the amp, and was playing some licks, and the whole house rumbled on a certain note lol).<br  /><br><br  /><br>As with most of my purchases, I look to what the future may hold, so when I do buy something (rareity in itself), I get the best out there.<br  /><br><br  /><br>I just retired the 2.0 system and purchased a 7.1 receiver, with loads of inputs, analog and digital, and some component ins/outs. The component video stuff is useless right now, since I am still on a 27\" CRT from 10 years ago. But I know I will someday move to a plasma HD (DLP has issues I dont agree with, and LCDs just arent as bright IMHO).<br  /><br>I have extra speakers laying around (from friends who upgraded and gave me their cast-offs, still in excellent quality)and with rolls of speaker cable laying around from customer installations. So I went ahead and strung up all 7 speakers (no sub needed-remember the above named Jensons).<br  /><br><br  /><br>Its interesting to see what the ProLogic does and it does somewhat increase the audible field IMHO. I was snapping my head around when I heard something rapping on the back wall, or when I hear noises behind me (XBOX/PS2 games).<br  /><br><br  /><br>I have a fairly long room with the seating centered it the room, so it does fill in the space at low volumes. It is clean as far as I could take it (sensitive to extreme loud sound). Sounded as clean as a friend&#039;s high end system with electrostatics up to where I could stand it.<br  /><br><br  /><br>I may rewires the Jensons to be bi-ampable and use the backs for that purpose (receiver is capable) some day just to see the effect, but right now, I am quite pleased with running on 7.<br  /><br>It may just be still the novelty of having so many right now.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-03-19_05:41:06", "killed": false, "user_key": "87e795a2fdcd866d9b394fe63a225812", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247353": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Who determins what a small, medium, large,and huge home theater room is.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-10-21_07:51:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "5ff1ecf45e8e63a1d2baa4dc7865ec98", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247354": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "alot of info, got some klpsch heresy&#039;s need a good 5.1 receiver, any ideas or help. the kenwood was trash, looking for a major up grade for music and video, thanks a bunch guys.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-05-06_14:20:14", "killed": false, "user_key": "be3b145a61bcb1381159fa72e0e75093", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247355": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Hello - I have 5.1 speakers and 5.1 wiring in the walls of the room. All the receivers appear to be 7.1. Which speakers should I hook up to the rear speakers? Rear or Sides?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-06-10_04:49:46", "killed": false, "user_key": "7ea22dfa6402d4792b5db01d9f9fbb16", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247357": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Thanks this was very informative, as I am now just having to reenter the market to get another surround receiver and was just trying to decide if I should move up to 6.1 or 7.1. But after reading this article, I know now that I will stay with 5.1 as I&#039;ve been since 2000. You just saved me alot of money", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-09-11_13:00:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "4acbe23c87903b3963fc8f7521a37ba6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247360": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Thanks this was very informative, as I am now just having to reenter the market to get another surround receiver and was just trying to decide if I should move up to 6.1 or 7.1. But after reading this article, I know now that I will stay with 5.1 as I&#039;ve been since 2000. You just saved me alot of money", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-09-11_13:00:13", "killed": false, "user_key": "4acbe23c87903b3963fc8f7521a37ba6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247361": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have 3 sound feilds thru out my home...my son&#039;s living room is 5.1, our living room is 6.1 and i just finished off my basement with 7.1.  I have all recivers set for (\"5pck\") which means 5.1 and i change it only if the movie calls for a (\"6pck\")again means 6.1.  Since I havent seen any 7.1 movies yet i know i made a great choice with 7.1 reicever because i get to enjoy the 5.1 and 6.1 all in one amp....so buy what ya want cause i bought 7.1 for 975sqft and it does feel the room.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-09-21_09:23:00", "killed": false, "user_key": "34615304f6f80d1c63fd63209af45922", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247362": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "looks very interesting, thanks for article.<br  /><br><br  /><br>regards,<br  /><br> <a href=\"http://www.anarsist.org/\" title=\"http://www.anarsist.org/\" target=\"_blank\" ref=\"nofollow\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.anarsist.org/</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-09-26_23:57:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "b836c512058a7edba4272c31071db9b4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247363": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I just got a Pioneer Elite SC-07 recently.  Bought a set of Boston Acoustics HD-7 and HD-5 boxes then added some old Bose boxes I had for 2 of the channels.<br  /><br>Wow, this is such a big difference from 5.1.  I am glad I made the switch.  I know only Start Wars and maybe a few other movies are in THX but they sound Awesome!", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-06-27_03:48:49", "killed": false, "user_key": "e580aec0b45ea91128e0b7835efaba81", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "7 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247364": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "When it came time to decide on upgrading my A/V receiver, the cutter was interconnecting all my components.  7.1 came for very little extra cost for me, so I have it.   But I&#039;m still waiting to hear unique sounds out of the back speakers, even from the latest bd releases.  Has anyone heard a bd disk that really shows off 7.1?<br  />", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-04-24_10:42:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "b12cc11d307ffa9e22c9679704d28e21", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247365": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "well i like sound and after just adding a blue-ray drive to my pc i noticed that the even the blue-ray movies Ive purchased and rentend only have 5.1 now my computer can handle 7.1 but again as you said its pretty much needless. i do game and well 7.1 would be nice more range of where things are coming at ya. but again im not going to go out and buy an expensive 7.1 system for my tiny ass room. especially when i play movies on my pc its really not going to make it sound any better since there not really using 7.1.  so i&#039;ve made up my mind and im going to go get a decent 5.1 system since ill be using it for gaming and movies dose any one have any suggestions?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-06-10_21:01:50", "killed": false, "user_key": "47bbae6742ed36c6da8ad7db18f326d2", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "8 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247368": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I run a 5.1 in a medium sized room and have found that speaker placement can be crucial.  The room is not big enough to place the couch out away from the back wall, but I have discovered that if they are flown overhead inward at 45 degree angles it is perfect.  Another trick I found was to fly the center and leave the mains on the floor.  The separation adds to the center channel clarity.  <br  /><br><br  /><br>It&#039;s a little weird, but in a much small room I also got away with laying the rear channels flat on their backs to the left and right of the couch and that also worked for recreating the rear channel effect.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Anyway, just encouraging people with challenging spaces to really play around.  You can probably find a way to get the sound you want seeing as it all comes down to acoustics provided you have semi-decent gear.<br  /><br><br  /><br>rig:<br  /><br><br  /><br>bottom end sony 5.1 dts (does fine for now but lacks in definition the larger the speaker you use)<br  /><br>Powered Paradigm 8\" sub (front firing)<br  /><br>Wharfedale CRS 5 LR mains<br  /><br>Wharfedale CRS 3 LR rears<br  /><br>Bose Center<br  /><br><br  /><br>I want to get the Wharfedale Opus 1 center but this college student cannot afford it yet.<br  /><br><br  /><br>I watch an unhealthy amount of movies and have not felt the need to upgrade to 5.1.  A nicer amp maybe, after student loans are paid off.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-10-25_19:13:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "0dfb9fd175544b2bd26cc421ebfcb946", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247370": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "If I have a 5.1 speaker system and play a movie in blue ray, does it automatically play it in my speakers as 5.1 or how does it work?  Also, I am confused about av receivers and the signal they receive.  Lets say I have a yamaha rx-v1800 (7.1),  it has all kinds of different formats.  If I watch cable tv and the channel isn&#039;t hd, will my receiver still make it play in 7.1 or 5.1 regardless?  Or does the source going through my receiver have to be in that format already?  This is all so confusing for me I wish there was a website that broke all this down barney style.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-11-30_13:19:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "1a29b90a4bcdf1a12cd8443de50f2aaf", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247371": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I am considering upgrading my receiver from 5.1 to 7.1 but continue using my 5.1 speakers for now.  Could that be a problem?  My close friend builds star tour buses and he said they had to put in 7.1 due to the blue-ray players.  He said it would play but was not compatible.  On a million dollar bus everything had to be perfect.  Any Comment?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-11-29_17:51:23", "killed": false, "user_key": "b2cd38d33895a3d98596e8e590af71d8", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247372": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "5.1 or 7.1 are you a hobbyist or enthusiast? If you enjoy the real home theatre experience go the the 7.1 regardless that most movies only support 5.1 it is only a matter of time before it is 7.1 and future proofing your investment(for at least 5 years) seams very worth it besides who really wants to listen to an inferior sound system like 5.1 when there is 7.1", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-11-07_12:57:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "3caa5fcfd489305eb956e469c971d825", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247373": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "One thing, all of these comments, taken as a whole, should tell those who are in the market for theatre sound, is that (all technical jargon and expertise aside) if you want to buy the sound that will please you the most, get out to the stores set up with sound demonstration rooms and actually listen to multiple examples of rooms set up for 5.1 & 7.1 sound. (KNOW) what (YOU) like best. Let`s face it, we don`t all have the same ears, or the same sound processing equipment between our ears. What to one, is a superfluous addition, to another makes notable difference & therefore a worthwhile investment. If your comparison shopping shows that you appreciate a difference between 5.1  7.1, that`s reason enough to go with what you like best and enjoy the fruits of your well considered choice for years to come.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2007-11-18_10:59:10", "killed": false, "user_key": "3a55b834275c8c4306c286785f708c6b", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247375": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I went straight from basic stereo headphones to 7.1 surround sound. I use it on my computer, which is what I watch all my movies off of, play all my pc games off of, and even run optical audio through from my xbox into my pc.  I can say that the difference between 5.1 and 7.1 while watching movies is quite minimal, though the difference is definitely still there, but when gaming on 7.1, that exact sound location makes all the difference of survival.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-11-07_08:22:01", "killed": false, "user_key": "dbf9cc18c8a20001e6fbda755aeac370", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247376": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have a 7.1 Yamaha AV Receiver setup for the home theater is 5.1 and will continue to do just that. <br  /><br><br  /><br>I had realized some time back that I was happy with 5.1 even when I play Blue Ray disks with 7.1 and borrowed extra speakers from a mate to test at home.<br  /><br><br  /><br>INSTEAD of 7.1 setup I have gone 5.1 + used the extra channels to Bi-Amp the front speakers. Sounds great be happy guys... :-)", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-28_21:34:07", "killed": false, "user_key": "634b126f6d57826a1491da8b831fad2d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247377": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Can I hook up a 7.1 blu ray DVD player to a 5.1 receiver and have it sound ok?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-01-07_00:45:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "870ee412917379a4ecacf1453b091d95", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247378": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Can I hook up a 7.1 blu ray DVD player to a 5.1 receiver and have it sound ok?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-01-07_00:45:54", "killed": false, "user_key": "870ee412917379a4ecacf1453b091d95", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247379": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "This article is a great resource where 5.1 and 7.1 are concerned.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-01-07_05:36:35", "killed": false, "user_key": "da9cc24727e9918f07822aa0f3c55fb6", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247380": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Does DTS-HD support 5.1 or 7.1?", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-01-07_05:39:30", "killed": false, "user_key": "daf08c7c277da8adc5cf70def0f82ad4", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247381": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I fully agree!  5.1 is by far the best solution for anyone setting up a theater for the first time.  Do not get involved in the hype that 7.1 is generating.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-01-07_09:48:34", "killed": false, "user_key": "3daa7537a18e2e18012a0845ac22bb32", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247383": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I bought a 6.1 system because it provided the best performance for the cost.  The sixth speaker has been in a drawer since I bought it--and there it shall remain.  All my friends comment on how amazing movies sound on my system.  I&#039;ve never bothered to tell them about my \"spare\".", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-01-07_15:11:36", "killed": false, "user_key": "9d8bd51bb42449ed414a35d7122c5069", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247386": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "With BluRay and HD-DVD delivering 7.1 discrete audio with lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTSMA, I&#039;m not sure why people are referring to 7.1 as marketing hype? IMO, this article was well stated at the time (nearly 2 yrs ago) but it doesn&#039;t reflect the current tech out there.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-01-27_08:41:42", "killed": false, "user_key": "566a8bdf7a2f0fc5f972d546fbe15229", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247389": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I must admit I have a 7.1 system but I have a valid reason.  I had a bad lightning strike on my home and it blew out my tuner despite my Monster SP.  I recieved a check in the mail from Monster for all of the blown out componets and got a great deal on an Onkyo 7.1 with true 80 watts per channel. No Clipping in this household!!  I have it set up and it sounds great in 7.1  Now to just get those media chair sets without my wife noticing", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-02-07_05:34:43", "killed": false, "user_key": "16fc7493ea2f052602ed7f79785a6fd0", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 years ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247392": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "The only time 7.1 matters is with gaming. I had 7.1s around me with an audigy 2 at one point, and games which support a full 7.1 immersive sound are amazing, because as you turn around the voices move around you smoothly. with 5.1 its still pretty nice and the sound still moves around you smoothly, but its a harsher jump at the back since there is no middle speaker. i understand 6.1, it makes sense, 1 middle speaker in the front and 1 middle speaker in the back to make the transition from left/right more smooth in a 3D environment. but what the hell is 7.1? it makes no sense to have 4 speakers in the back and 3 in the front. quite simply they should have began with 4.1, then moved on to adding a center speaker front and rear (6.1), and then adding center speakers to your left and right (8.1) for the maximal surround sound. But the world works in strange and RETARDED ways, and we are stuck with 5.1 which is acceptable, 6.1 which is the most logical but least supported type, and an idiotic 7.1 option which makes no sense. thank you human race, you have outdone yourself yet again.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-02-19_15:36:25", "killed": false, "user_key": "b3dd762f6ca813d7a54201a023e2e477", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247394": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have a 7.1 amp, but I don&#039;t think I&#039;d use anything above five channels unless my room was somewhere close to 100 cubic metres.<br  /><br><br  /><br>5.0 &gt; 4.1 ! I&#039;d rather have a center channel than a subwoofer any day.<br  /><br><br  /><br>SDDS in cinemas - yeah, good when you get it. But I saw Bond last week in an SDDS cinema, and they played the Dolby trailer beforehand, which can only mean that they played a Dolby version of the movie.<br  />", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-12_08:20:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "d8a2538ffded12669a2b95cecf507e4d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247395": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have a 7.1 amp, but I don&#039;t think I&#039;d use anything above five channels unless my room was somewhere close to 100 cubic metres.<br  /><br><br  /><br>5.0 &gt; 4.1 ! I&#039;d rather have a center channel than a subwoofer any day.<br  /><br><br  /><br>SDDS in cinemas - yeah, good when you get it. But I saw Bond last week in an SDDS cinema, and they played the Dolby trailer beforehand, which can only mean that they played a Dolby version of the movie.<br  />", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-12-12_08:20:11", "killed": false, "user_key": "d8a2538ffded12669a2b95cecf507e4d", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247396": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "I have a 7.1 surround sound home theater room that is 12x14 and if I put it on 5.1 mode it doesn&#039;t sound as good. The extra back channels fill the room with more sound. If you by better quality equipment you won&#039;t get problems with overheating and low quality sound at higher volumes. I went with 2 TSI500 (front), 4 VM10&#039;s (side and rear), subwoofer is a PSW125, and one CS2 (Center channel). My reciever is pioneer VSX-01TXH and is in pioneer&#039;s high end series. This reciever is a great solution to overheating. I recomend this setup for good sound quality and a great home theater sound experience.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-05-04_08:54:20", "killed": false, "user_key": "9d9c160b0b70e2df92f104aaef779199", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "9 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247397": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It&#039;s interesting for me to read articles like this wrote by other countries citizens.<br  /><br>I&#039;ll tell that people in my country (Ukraine) usualy buy 5.1 home theater all in one box. The brands are most sven F&D and microlab for pc users and sony panasonic for others who have plasma+dvd. And even they bought 5.1 they know that 7.1 is \"cool!\" and cooler than 5.1 Ask them why and you will hear an unswer like: Wow 7.1 is bigger so cooler! :)<br  /><br>As for me I have Stereo for music and 5.1 for theater. But I think that it is not enoght to buy only audio system and be happy. You also must make your room \"softer\" to make this system work and your ears listen.<br  /><br>Sorry for my English. Want to tell more but need more English practice. Thanks to the author.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-04-10_10:26:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "3f1ff19a9f64306f8c0514fac6a63181", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247398": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "It&#039;s interesting for me to read articles like this wrote by other countries citizens.<br  /><br>I&#039;ll tell that people in my country (Ukraine) usualy buy 5.1 home theater all in one box. The brands are most sven F&D and microlab for pc users and sony panasonic for others who have plasma+dvd. And even they bought 5.1 they know that 7.1 is \"cool!\" and cooler than 5.1 Ask them why and you will hear an unswer like: Wow 7.1 is bigger so cooler! :)<br  /><br>As for me I have Stereo for music and 5.1 for theater. But I think that it is not enoght to buy only audio system and be happy. You also must make your room \"softer\" to make this system work and your ears listen.<br  /><br>Sorry for my English. Want to tell more but need more English practice. Thanks to the author.", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-04-10_10:26:53", "killed": false, "user_key": "3f1ff19a9f64306f8c0514fac6a63181", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "25247399": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "i have just bought a new av receiver what offers 7.1,but all my dvds say 5.1 is worth upscaling and forcing the sound to 7.1", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2008-04-07_00:53:27", "killed": false, "user_key": "494112bee550713075d8e9a5431c79eb", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "1 year ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 1, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "30036332": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "If you have a large room, I think 7.1 does sound better to me than 5.1. I have 7.1 in a 18 x 22' Den. I wouldn't say it is a HUGE difference (not worth hundreds of dollars), but if you have +5' behind your listening position and your receiver already supports it, you should definitely try it out. I definitely do hear a much more detailed sound. I have had 5.1 for 9 months and 7.1 for the last month. Now if more Blu-Ray DVDs released would just support 7.1.<br><br>Here is a great site for tracking 7.1 released movies... <br><a href=\"http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php?OrderBy=ReleaseDate&Audio=7.1\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php?Ord...</a>", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2010-01-16_07:13:09", "killed": false, "user_key": "4572d6f9f7f88eeeaae4901aadf569c3", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "3 weeks ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}, "22992298": {"up_voted": false, "ip": "", "has_replies": false, "message": "Nice articles on 7.1 speakers", "is_last_child": false, "can_reply": true, "down_voted": false, "real_date": "2009-11-14_10:00:33", "killed": false, "user_key": "1b53af106401acc9f48d316acfc642aa", "has_been_anonymized": false, "edited": false, "author_is_moderator": false, "from_request_user": null, "user_voted": null, "votable": true, "date": "2 months ago", "approved": true, "num_replies": 0, "is_first_child": false, "email": "", "parent_post_id": null, "depth": 0, "points": 0, "author_is_creator": false, "is_realtime": false}}, "integration": {"receiver_url": "", "theme": 4, "hide_user_votes": true, "reply_position": true, "disqus_logo": false}, "uploads_url": "http://media.disqus.com/uploads", "thread": {"total_posts": 0, "paginate": false, "per_page": 0, "slug": "don8217t_get_stampeded_by_the_71_parade", "offset_posts": 0, "num_pages": 1, "days_alive": 0, "realtime_paused": true, "id": 44036857, "pagination_type": "append", "num_posts": 105, "closed": false, "queued": false, "killed": false, "moderate_all": false}, "reactions_limit": 10, "context": {"show_reply": true, "use_fb_connect": true, "forum_facebook_key": "f9e449f58a02107dc99306f0819d288c", "use_yahoo": true, "subscribed": false, "use_twitter_signin": true, "use_openid": true, "realtime_speed": 5000}, "mediaembed": [], "reactions_start": 0, "settings": {"debug": false, "disqus_url": "http://disqus.com", "media_url": "http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001"}, "media_url": "http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001"};
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			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s liked'
				: '%(num)s liked'
			), {num:num});
	};

	this.NUMBER_OF_POINTS = function(num) {
		return Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
			(num == 1
				? '%(num)s point'
				: '%(num)s points'
			), {num:num});
	};
};
// Dsq.FmtStrings






Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN = '1b374b7fe75c917a243e3d3b29a114ad';
Dsq.COMMENTS_RE = /(<li.*?id="?dsq-comment-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/li>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_RE = /(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-header-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*?)(<\/div>)\s*(<div.*?class="?dsq-comment-body"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
Dsq.POST_BODY_RE = /\s*(<div.*?id="?dsq-comment-message-(\d+)"?.*?>)((?:.|\s)*)(<\/div>)/gim;
// HACK: Safari ends with "-->" while other browsers end with "--&gt;" as expected.
Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE = /&lt;!--\[(.*?)\]--(?:>|&gt;)/gim;



var FragmentPacket = function(reader, writer, writer_url, is_child, receiveCallback) {
	var that = this;
	this.reader = reader;
	this.writer = writer;
	this.writer_url = writer_url;

	this.is_child = is_child || false;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;

	this._lastHash = null;

	this._accumMsg = '';

	this._lastSeqno = 0;

	this.MAX_DATA_LEN	= 1024;

	this.WAIT_TIME		= 10;

	this.READY		= 0x1;
	this.WRITING	= 0x2;
	this.FIN		= 0x4;
	this.ACK		= 0x8;

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;
	var listener = function() {
		that.recv();
	};
	return window.setInterval(listener, 10);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.log = function(msg) {



};

FragmentPacket.prototype.recv = function() {
	var hash;
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {

		hash = this.reader.name;
	} else {

		var hashIndex = this.reader.location.href.indexOf('#');
		if (hashIndex == -1) {
			return;
		}
		hash = this.reader.location.href.substring(hashIndex+1);
	}
	var flags = parseInt(hash.substring(0, 4), 10);
	var seqno = parseInt(hash.substring(4, 24), 10);
	var data  = hash.substring(24);

	if (this._lastHash !== hash) {
		this._lastHash = hash;
		this.log('recv: ' + hash);

		this.log(' flags: ' + flags);
		this.log(' seqno: ' + seqno + ' len: ' + hash.substring(4, 24).length + ' (' + hash.substring(4, 24) + ')');
		this.log(' data: ' + data + ' len: ' + data.length);

		this._lastSeqno = seqno;

		if (flags & this.WRITING) {
			this._accumMsg += data;
			this.sendFlag(this.ACK, seqno);
			if (flags & this.FIN) {
				this.log('recv finished: ' + decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));
				this.receiveCallback(decodeURIComponent(this._accumMsg));

				this._accumMsg = '';

				this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
			}
		}
	}

	return {
		flags: flags,
		seqno: seqno,
		data: data
	};
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendRawPacket = function(packet) {
	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent)) {
		this.writer.name = packet;
	} else {

		this.writer.location.href = this.writer_url + '#' + packet;
	}

};

FragmentPacket.prototype.sendFlag = function(flag, seqno) {
	this.sendRawPacket(this._zerofill(flag, 4) + this._zerofill(seqno, 20));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {
	this._send(0, encodeURIComponent(msg));
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._send = function(packetNum, msg) {
	var that = this;
	var recvBuf = this.recv();

	if (packetNum === 0) {

		if (!(recvBuf.flags & this.READY)) {
			this.log('client is not ready, waiting...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		}
	} else {

		if (!( (recvBuf.flags & this.ACK) && (recvBuf.seqno === this._lastSeqno) )) {
			this.log('waiting for ack from client...');
			window.setTimeout(function() { that._send(packetNum, msg); }, this.WAIT_TIME);
			return;
		} else {
			this.log('received ack: ' + this._lastSeqno + ' ' + recvBuf.seqno);
		}
	}

	var flags = this.WRITING;
	var num_packets = Math.ceil(msg.length / this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	this.log('num_packets: ' + num_packets);

	if (num_packets === packetNum) {

		this.log('message successfully sent!');
		this.sendFlag(this.READY | this.ACK, this._lastSeqno);
		return true;
	}

	this._lastSeqno++;

	if (packetNum == num_packets-1) {
		flags |= this.FIN;
	}

	var data = msg.substring(packetNum * this.MAX_DATA_LEN, (packetNum+1) * this.MAX_DATA_LEN);
	var packet = this._zerofill(flags, 4) + this._zerofill(this._lastSeqno, 20) + data;

	this.log('sending raw packet: ' + packet);
	this.sendRawPacket(packet);

	return this._send(packetNum + 1, msg);
};

FragmentPacket.prototype._zerofill = function(num, width) {
	var retval = num.toString();
	var retval_len = retval.length;
	for (var i = 0; i < width - retval_len; i++) {
		retval = '0' + retval;
	}
	return retval;
};

var PostMessagePacket = function(receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId) {
	var that = this;
	this.receiver = receiver;
	this.receiveCallback = receiveCallback;
	this.id = id;


	this.receiverId = receiverId;
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.createListener = function() {
	var that = this;

	var listener = function(e) {

		if (!that.id) {
			that.id = e.data;
			return;
		}


		var id = e.data.split(';')[0];
		if (id !== that.id) {
			return;
		}
		var data = e.data.substring(e.data.indexOf(';') + 1);

		that.receiveCallback(data);
	};

	if (/MSIE/.test(navigator.userAgent) && typeof window.attachEvent == 'function') {






		window.attachEvent('onmessage', listener);
	} else if (typeof window.addEventListener == 'function') {
		window.addEventListener('message', listener, false);
	} else {
		throw new Error('No method found to create event listener for PostMessagePacket.');
	}
};

PostMessagePacket.prototype.send = function(msg) {



	var needs_reget = false;
	try {
		if (typeof this.receiver.id == 'undefined' || typeof this.receiver.postMessage == 'undefined') {
			needs_reget = true;
		}
	} catch(e) {


	}
	if (needs_reget && typeof this.receiverId != 'undefined') {
		this.receiver = document.getElementById(this.receiverId).contentWindow;
	}

	var packet;
	if (!msg) {

		packet = this.id;
	} else {
		packet = this.id + ';' + msg;
	}
	this.receiver.postMessage(packet, '*');
};

PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = null;
PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id = function() {
	var id = (new Date()).getTime();
	if (id == PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id) {
		id++;
	}
	PostMessagePacket._last_unique_id = id;
	return id.toString();
};

var JsonRpc = function() {

	this.ids = {};

	this.objectToJSON = function(obj) {
		var json = '';
		var results = [];

		if (obj === undefined || obj === null) {
			return 'null';
		}

		switch (obj.constructor) {
			case Object:
				for (var property in obj) {
					if (obj.hasOwnProperty(property)) {
						results.push(this.objectToJSON(property) + ': ' + this.objectToJSON(obj[property]));
					}
				}
				json = '{' + results.join(', ') + '}';
				break;
			case Array:
				for (var i = 0; i < obj.length; i++) {
					results.push(this.objectToJSON(obj[i]));
				}
				json = '[' + results.join(', ') + ']';
				break;
			case Number:
			case Boolean:
				json = obj.toString();
				break;
			case String:

				var specialChars = {'\b': '\\b', '\t': '\\t', '\n': '\\n', '\f': '\\f', '\r': '\\r', '\\': '\\\\'};

				json = obj.replace(/[\x00-\x1f\\]/g, function(match) {
					var ch = specialChars[match];
					return ch ? ch : '\\u00' + match.charCodeAt().toPaddedString(2, 16);
				});

				json = '"' + json.replace(/"/g, '\\"') + '"';
				break;
			default:

				json = 'null';
				break;
		}

		return json;
	};

	this.createHandler = function(send_func, registered_funcs) {
		var that = this;
		var handler = function(message) {

			try {
				var rpc = eval('(' + message + ')');
			} catch(e) {
				alert('bad JSON: ' + message);
				return;
			}
			if (rpc.method) {

				if (!registered_funcs[rpc.method]) {
					return;
				}

				var retval = registered_funcs[rpc.method].apply(null, rpc.params);
				if (rpc.id) {
					var response = {
						result: retval,
						error: null,	// TODO
						id: rpc.id
					};
					send_func(that.objectToJSON(response));
				}
			} else if(rpc.result) {

				if (!that.ids[rpc.id]) {
					return;
				}

				that.ids[rpc.id](rpc.result);
				delete that.ids[rpc.id];
			}
		};
		return handler;
	};

	this.execute = function(send_func, method, params, response_callback) {
		response_callback = response_callback || null;
		var id = (response_callback) ? (new Date()).getTime() : null;

		var request = {
			method: method,
			params: params,
			id: id
		};

		send_func(this.objectToJSON(request));

		if (id) {
			this.ids[id] = response_callback;
		}
	};
};
JsonRpc = new JsonRpc();

var ParentMessenger = function(childUrl, receiverUrl, container, receiveCallback) {


	if (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Safari') >= 0 && parseInt(navigator.userAgent.substring(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Version/') + 8), 10) == 3) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	} else if (window.opera) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}



	if (!receiverUrl &&
		navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Gecko') >= 0 &&
		parseFloat(navigator.userAgent.slice(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 3, navigator.userAgent.indexOf('rv:') + 6)) < 1.9) {
		throw new Error("unsupported.");
	}


	if (/msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent)) {


		if (document.domain == window.location.hostname) {
			receiverUrl = '';
		}
	}

	var that = this;
	this.childUrl = childUrl;
	this.receiverUrl = receiverUrl;
	this.container = container || document.body;

	this.packetHandler = null;


	this._ready = false;
	this._error = false;


	var _createReceiverForFragmentPacket = function() {

		that.receiver = document.createElement('iframe');
		that.receiver.src = receiverUrl;
		that.receiver.id = 'receiver_' + (new Date()).getTime();
		that.receiver.name = that.receiver.id;

		that.receiver.frameBorder = '0';
		that.receiver.frameSpacing = '0';
		that.receiver.style.borderStyle = 'none';

		var receiver_onload = function() {
			var receiver = document.getElementById(that.receiver.id).contentWindow;

			try {
				receiver.document.body.innerHTML = '';
			} catch(e) {

				that._error = true;
			}
			receiver.document.body.style.padding = '0px';
			receiver.document.body.style.margin = '0px';

			var child = receiver.document.createElement('iframe');
			child.id = 'child';
			child.name = 'child';
			child.src = that.childUrl;

			child.frameBorder = '0';
			child.frameSpacing = '0';
			child.style.borderStyle = 'none';
			child.style.width = '100%';
			child.style.height = '100%';
			receiver.document.body.appendChild(child);

			that.child = receiver.document.getElementById('child').contentWindow;
			that.receiver = receiver;

			that.packetHandler = new FragmentPacket(that.receiver, that.child, that.childUrl, false, receiveCallback);

			that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();

			that.packetHandler.sendFlag(that.packetHandler.READY, 0);

			that._ready = true;
		};

		that.receiver.onreadystatechange = function() {
			if (this.readyState == 'complete') {
				receiver_onload();
			}
		};

		that.receiver.onload = receiver_onload;







		if (Dsq.Utils.ie) {
			if (that.container.clientWidth === 0) {

				var _waitForWidth = function() {
					if (that.container.clientWidth > 0) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					} else {
						window.setTimeout(_waitForWidth, 100);
					}
				};
				_waitForWidth();

				that._once = false;
				that.receiver.onresize = function() {
					if (!that._once) {
						Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(that.container.id);
					}
					that._once = true;
				};
			}
		}

		that.container.appendChild(that.receiver);
	};


	var _createReceiverForPostMessage = function() {

		var receiver_onload = function() {

			that.packetHandler.send();
			that._ready = true;
		};

		var id = PostMessagePacket._get_unique_id();
		var receiverId = 'child_' + id;


		ParentMessenger['_receiver_onload_' + receiverId] = receiver_onload;

		that.container.innerHTML += '<iframe ' +
			'src="' + childUrl + '" ' +
			'id="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'name="' + receiverId + '" ' +
			'onload="ParentMessenger._receiver_onload_' + receiverId +'();" ' +
			'></iframe>';

		that.receiver = document.getElementById(receiverId).contentWindow;
		that.packetHandler = new PostMessagePacket(that.receiver, receiveCallback, id, receiverId);
		that._listener = that.packetHandler.createListener();
	};

	if (typeof window.postMessage == 'function') {
		_createReceiverForPostMessage();
	} else {
		_createReceiverForFragmentPacket();
	}

};

ParentMessenger.prototype.sendMessage = function(message) {
	var that = this;
	if (!this._ready) {

		window.setTimeout(function() { that.sendMessage(message); }, 10);
		return;
	}
	this.packetHandler.send(message);
	return true;
};

Dsq.NewFrames = function(url) {
	this.url = url;
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype.init = function(onFailure) {
	var that = this;

	try {
		this.messenger = new ParentMessenger(this.url, Dsq.jsonData.integration.receiver_url, this.container, this.receive_callback);
	} catch(e) {
		if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
			onFailure();
		}
	}

	if (typeof onFailure == 'function') {
		var iId = window.setInterval(function() {
			if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				return;
			}
			if (that.messenger._ready) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
			} else if (that.messenger._error) {
				window.clearInterval(iId);
				onFailure();
			}
		}, 10);
	}
};

Dsq.NewFrames.prototype._execute = function(method, args, callback) {
	var that = this;
	if (typeof that.messenger == 'undefined') {
		return false;
	}
	JsonRpc.execute(
		function(msg) { that.messenger.sendMessage(msg); },
		method,
		args || [],
		callback);
	return true;
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame = function(container, parent_post_id) {
	var that = this;
	this.container = container;
	this.parent_post_id = parent_post_id;

	var sendFunc = function(msg) {

		Dsq.Debug.log('Dsq.ReplyFrame.sendFunc');
		that.messenger.sendMessage(msg);
	};


	var postComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		Dsq.jsonData.posts[response.message.id] = response.message.post_meta;
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key]) {
			Dsq.jsonData.users[response.message.post_meta.user_key] = response.message.user_meta;
		}


		var reply_position = (typeof(disqus_insert_wrt_sort) == 'undefined' 
			? (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reply_position ? -1 : null) 
			: (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? null : -1));
		
		if (response.message.post_meta.approved) {
			Dsq.Post.insert(response.message.post_meta.parent_post_id || reply_position, response.message.id, response.message.post_meta.message);
		}

		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var postComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(response.message, 'Error');
		Dsq.Templates.postComment_onFailure(response, parent_post_id, response.message.id);
	};

	var editComment_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);
		
		message.innerHTML = response.message;
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
	
	var editComment_onFailure = function(response) {
		var post_id = parent_post_id;
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('Sorry, there was an error editing this comment.', 'Edit Error');
		Dsq.Templates.toggleEdit(post_id);
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	var getUserByEmail_onSuccess = function(response) {
		var msg = response.message;
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(parent_post_id);

		if (msg.username) {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'login', {
				'username': msg.username,
				'display_name': msg.display_name,
				'avatar_url': msg.avatar_url,
				'verified': msg.verified,
				'email': fields.email.value
			});
		} else {

			Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(parent_post_id, 'register');
		}
	};

	var validateAuth_onSuccess = function(response, auth_choice) {
		Dsq.Templates.postComment(parent_post_id, null, true, auth_choice);
	};

	var validateAuth_onFailure = function(response, auth_choice) {
		var pid = parent_post_id ? '-' + parent_post_id : '';
		var msg = response.message;

		if (auth_choice == 'register') {
			var fields = ['email', 'username', 'password'];

			for (var i = 0; i < fields.length; i++) {
				var field = fields[i];
				var errorDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-' + field + '-errors' + pid);

				if (msg[field]) {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = msg[field];
				} else {
					errorDiv.innerHTML = '';
				}
			}
		} else if (auth_choice == 'login') {
			Dsq.$('dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid).innerHTML = '<p>We couldn\'t log you in. Please verify your login.</p>';
		}
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	var cookieFailure = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.Templates.cookieFailure(post_id);
	};

	this.receive_callback = JsonRpc.createHandler(sendFunc, {
		'postComment.onSuccess': postComment_onSuccess,
		'postComment.onFailure': postComment_onFailure,
		'editComment.onSuccess': editComment_onSuccess,
		'editComment.onFailure': editComment_onFailure,		
		'getUserByEmail.onSuccess': getUserByEmail_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onSuccess': validateAuth_onSuccess,
		'validateAuth.onFailure': validateAuth_onFailure,
		'cookieFailure': cookieFailure,
		'reload': function() { window.location.reload(); }
	});

	this.url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY +
		'?' + (new Date()).getTime() +
		'&f=digitaltrends' +
		'&t=don8217t_get_stampeded_by_the_71_parade' +
		'&ff=' + Dsq.Thread.ff +
		'&default_text=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_default_text) +
		'&ifrs=' + encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css);
	if (this.parent_post_id) {
		this.url += '&parent_post=' + this.parent_post_id;
	}
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype = new Dsq.NewFrames(Dsq.ReplyFrame.url);

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.post = function(author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe) {
	this._execute('postComment', [author_name, author_email, author_url, authenticate, sharing_services, subscribe]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.edit = function(post_id, message) {
	this._execute('editComment', [post_id, message]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.setState = function(parent_post_id, depth) {
	this._execute('setState', [parent_post_id, depth]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.getUserByEmail = function(email) {
	this._execute('getUserByEmail', [email]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.validateAuth = function(auth_choice, email, username, password) {
	this._execute('validateAuth', [auth_choice, email, username, password]);
};

Dsq.ReplyFrame.prototype.authenticateFacebook = function(session, forum_url) {
	this._execute('authenticateFacebook', [session, forum_url]);
};

	Dsq.Facebook = function() {
	var that = this;

	var handleSessionData = function(session) {

		var forum_url = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;




		if (typeof disqus_facebook_forum != 'undefined') {
			forum_url = disqus_facebook_forum;
		}
		Dsq.frames.reply_0.authenticateFacebook(session, forum_url);
	};

	var onLogin = function() {
		FB.Connect.getSignedPublicSessionData(handleSessionData);
	};

	this.login = function() {
		FB.Connect.requireSession(onLogin, true);
	};
};
Dsq.Facebook = new Dsq.Facebook();


	






Dsq.Themes = {};

Dsq.Themes.narcissus = new function() {
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-form-area';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-textarea-wrapper';




	this.commentCount = function() {
		var total_posts, num_posts, offset_posts;

		total_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.total_posts;
		num_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_posts;
		offset_posts = Dsq.jsonData.thread.offset_posts;

		if (total_posts) {
			if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.pagination_type == 'num') {
				num_posts = (offset_posts+1) + '-' + (offset_posts+num_posts);
			}
			return Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_FULL(total_posts, num_posts);
		} else {
			return Dsq.FmtStrings.SHOWING_COMMENTS_WITHOUT_PAGINATION(num_posts);
		}
	}
	
	this.header = function() {
		var html = '';
		var missing_perm_tmpl;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.missing_perm) {
			missing_perm_tmpl = Dsq.Templates.missingPermissions();
			if (missing_perm_tmpl) {
				html += '<div class="dsq-missing-permissions">' + missing_perm_tmpl + '</div>';
			}
		}

		html += ' \
		<div id="dsq-comments-title"> \
			<h3>' + Dsq.Templates.commentCount() + '</h3> \
		</div> \
		';

		html += ' \
		<div class="dsq-options"> \
			<span class="dsq-item-sort">'
				+ Dsq.Strings.SORT_BY + ' \
				<select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);"> \
					<option value="hot" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 4 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.POPULAR_NOW + '</option> \
					<option value="best" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 3 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.BEST_RATING + '</option> \
					<option value="newest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 2 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.NEWEST_FIRST + '</option> \
					<option value="oldest" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sort == 1 ? 'selected="selected"' : '') + '>' + Dsq.Strings.OLDEST_FIRST + '</option> \
				</select> \
				&nbsp; \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
				<img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<span id="dsq-subscribe">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.subscribed
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.UNSUBSCRIBE + '</a>'
						: '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_EMAIL + '</a>')
				+ '</span> \
			</span> \
			<span class="dsq-subscribe-rss" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle"> \
				<img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/embed/bullet-feed.png" alt="" /> \
				<a href="http://digitaltrends.disqus.com/don8217t_get_stampeded_by_the_71_parade/latest.rss">' + Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_BY_RSS + '</a> \
			</span> \
		</div> \
		';

		

		return html;
	};
	
	this.footer = function() {
		var html = '';

		html += Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
		
			html += Dsq.Templates.realtime();
			html += Dsq.Templates.showThreadSettings();
			html += Dsq.Templates.postBox();

		if (Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
			html += '<div style="display: none" class="dsq-realtime-alert"></div>';
		}

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		


		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) {
 			html += ' \
				<div class="dsq-global-moderator-extras">'
					+ '<strong>shortname:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url
					+ '<strong>thread id:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.id
					+ '<strong>thread slug:</strong> ' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.slug
				+ '</div> \
			';
		}

		return html;
	};
	
	this.realtime = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			html += '<div id="dsq-realtime-options" class="dsq-options">'
					 + Dsq.Strings.REALTIME_UPDATING_IS + ' <strong id="dsq-realtime-status" style="text-transform: lowercase">' + Dsq.Strings.ENABLED + '</strong>. \
					 <a href="#" id="dsq-realtime-toggle" style="text-transform: capitalize"></a> \
					</div>';
		}

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
			html += ' \
				<div style="display: none" class="dsq-realtime-alert"></div> \
			';
		}
		
		return html;
	};

	this.showThreadSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '<div id="dsq-thread-settings" class="dsq-thread-settings">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATOR_OPTIONS;
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showSettings(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.SETTINGS + '</a>';
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showModeratorActions(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>';
		html += '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.showHelp(); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.HELP + '</a>';
		
		html +='</div>';

		return html;
	};

	this.postBox = function(post_id, use_fallback_iframe) {


		var html;
		var display_sharing_options = Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated;

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post) {
			return '';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.hasOwnProperty(Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain)) {
				display_sharing_options = false;
			}
		}
		
		if (post_id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];				
		}
		
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		var _requestUserInfo = function() {
			var html;



			var user_has_email = false;

			html = '<div class="dsq-request-user-info"> <!-- // If authenticated --> \
				<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT + '?ctkn=' + Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN + '" class="dsq-request-user-logout">' + Dsq.Strings.LOGOUT + '</a> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td rowspan="2">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '')
								+ '<img src="' + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR + '" width="48" height="48" class="dsq-request-user-avatar">'
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-name">'
								+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
									 ? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain + '">' + Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain_name + '</span>'
									 : (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_verified
											? '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span>'
											: '<span class="dsq-badge-small dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span>'))
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE + '">' : '') 
								+ Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username 
							+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '</a>' : '')
							+  (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && user_has_email ? ' <small>(<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.remoteAccountSettings(); return false;">change settings</a>)</small>' : '')
							+  (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? ' <small>(<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/info/" target="_blank">change name</a> or <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/avatar/" target="_blank">picture</a>)</small>' : '')
						+ '</td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-request-user-stats"> \
							<span class="dsq-request-user-stat"><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count + '</big> <span id="dsq-request-user-stats-comments' + pid + '">' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.comments_count == 1 ? 'comment' : 'comments') + '</span></span> \
							<span class="dsq-request-user-stat"><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count + '</big> <span id="dsq-request-user-stats-liked' + pid + '">' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.likes_count == 1 ? 'liked' : 'liked') + '</span></span> \
							<span class="dsq-request-user-stat"><big>' + Dsq.jsonData.request.points + '</big> <span id="dsq-request-user-stats-points' + pid + '">' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.points == 1 ? 'point' : 'points') + '</span></span> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};

		var _loginOptions = function() {
			var html;
			html = ' \
			<div id="dsq-authenticate' + pid + '" class="dsq-authenticate"> \
				<p class="dsq-autheneticate-copy">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
					? Dsq.Strings.YOU_ARE_COMMENTING_AS_A + ' <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. ' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.LOGIN_BELOW + '.'
					: Dsq.Strings.REQUIRED + ': ' + Dsq.Strings.PLEASE_LOGIN_BELOW_TO_COMMENT + '.')
				+ '</p> \
				<ul class="dsq-login-buttons">'
					+ (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/themes/narcissus/login-disqus.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Facebook.login(); return false;"><img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/themes/narcissus/login-facebook.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false"><img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/themes/narcissus/login-twitter.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL(); return false" ><img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/themes/narcissus/login-openid.gif" /></a></li>' : '')
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_yahoo ? '<li class="dsq-login-button"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Yahoo.startYahooConnect(); return false"><img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/themes/narcissus/login-yahoo.png" /></a></li>' : '')
				+ '</ul> \
			</div> \
			';
			return html;
		};
		
		var _sharingOptions = function() {
			var html = '';

			for (var s in Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing) {
                if (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing.hasOwnProperty(s)) {
                    var service = Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing[s];

    				if (service) {
    					var checked = service.auto === true || (Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == s);


						var updateLabel = (s == 'twitter' || s == 'facebook');

    					if (service.enabled) {
    						html += ' \
    						<div> \
    							<input type="checkbox" id="dsq-sharing-' + s + pid + '" ' + (checked ? 'checked=true' : '') 
    							+ (updateLabel ? 'onclick="Dsq.Templates.updateSharingLabel(this, ' + post_id + ')"' : '' ) 
    							+ ' /> \
    							<label for="dsq-sharing-' + s + pid + '"> \
    								<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/images/v3/icon/16/' + s + '.png"> ' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON + ' <span>' + s + '</span>'
    							+ '</label> \
    						</div>';
    					}
    				}
                }
			} // for
			
			html += (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote ? '' : '<div><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections/" target="_blank" class="dsq-configure-options">' + Dsq.Strings.CONFIGURE_OPTIONS + '...</a></div>');
			
			return html;
		};

		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {


			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {



				return '<div id="dsq-form-area" style="display:none"><div id="dsq-textarea-wrapper"></div></div>' + _loginOptions();
			} else {
				return '';
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<div id="' + (post_id 
			? 'dsq-reply-post-' + post_id
			: 'dsq-new-post')
		 	+ '" class="dsq-post-area"> \
			<div class="dsq-dc-logo"> \
				<a href="http://disqus.com/comments" target="_blank"><img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/themes/narcissus/disqus-logo.png"></a> \
			</div>'
			+ (post_id 
				? '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.REPLYING_TO + ' ' + userData.display_name + '</h3>'
				: '<h3>' + Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT + '</h3>')
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated 
				? _requestUserInfo()
				: _loginOptions() )
			+ '<div id="dsq-form-area' + pid + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-textarea"> \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper" id="dsq-textarea-wrapper' + pid + '"></div> \
			</div>'
			+ (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated
			? ' \
			<div class="dsq-post-fields"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-name' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_name ? disqus_def_name : (Dsq.jsonData.session.name ? Dsq.jsonData.session.name : Dsq.Strings.NAME + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'name\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-website' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (Dsq.jsonData.session.url ? Dsq.jsonData.session.url : Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')" class="dsq-placeholder') + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'website\')" /></div></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-left"><div class="dsq-input-wrapper"><input id="dsq-field-email' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (disqus_def_email ? disqus_def_email : (Dsq.jsonData.session.email ? Dsq.jsonData.session.email : Dsq.Strings.EMAIL + '" class="dsq-placeholder')) + '" onfocus="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" onblur="Dsq.Templates.handlePlaceholder(event, this, \'email\')" /></div></td> \
						<td class="dsq-post-fields-right"> \
							<div class="dsq-subscribe-menu"> \
								<label class="dsq-subscribe-label"> \
									<input id="dsq-subscribe-on-post' + pid + '" type="checkbox"' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.subscribe_on_post ? 'checked="true"' : '') + '/> '
									+ Dsq.Strings.SUBSCRIBE_TO_ALL_COMMENTS_BY_EMAIL 
								+ '</label> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div>'
			: '')
			+ '<div class="dsq-post-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-sharing-options" ' + (!display_sharing_options ? 'style="display:none;"' : '') + '>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
					? (display_sharing_options ? _sharingOptions() : '')
					: '<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onfocus="document.getElementById(\'dsq-post-button' + pid + '\').focus();"> \
							<span class="dsq-share-on">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_ON
								+ '&nbsp;<input id="dsq-sharing-twitter-label' + pid + '" type="checkbox" disabled="true" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing['twitter'] && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing['twitter'].auto ? 'checked="true"' : '') + '><img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/images/v3/icon/16/twitter.png">&nbsp;\
								<input id="dsq-sharing-facebook-label' + pid + '" type="checkbox" disabled="true" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing['facebook'] && Dsq.jsonData.request.sharing['facebook'].auto ? 'checked="true"' : '') + '><img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/images/v3/icon/16/facebook.png"> \
							</span> \
							<span class="dsq-share-on-label">' + Dsq.Strings.SHARE_THIS_COMMENT_ON + '...</span> \
						</button> \
						<div class="dsq-panel">' + _sharingOptions() + '</div>')
					+ '</div>'
				+ '<button type="button" class="dsq-button" id="dsq-post-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, false)"><span>' 
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated
				    ? (Dsq.Strings.POST_AS + ' ' + (Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					                                ? Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username
					                                : Dsq.Strings.GUEST))
					: 'Login and Post')
				+ '</span></button>'
				+ (post_id
					? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button" id="dsq-cancel-button' + pid + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"><span>' + Dsq.Strings.CANCEL + '</span></button>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>' // dsq-post-footer
			+ '</div>' // end dsq-form-area
		+ '</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};




	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-append-post-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		html = ' \
		<table> \
			<tr> \
				<td id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-avatar" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
					<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
					? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
					: '')
				+ '</a> \
				</td> \
				<td class="dsq-comment-header-meta"> \
		';

		
		return html;
	};
	
	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var html;
		var parent_display_name = '';
		
		if(_meta.parent_post_id) {

			var _parent_meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[_meta.parent_post_id];

			if (_parent_meta) {
				var parentUserData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_parent_meta.user_key];
				parent_display_name = parentUserData.display_name;
			}
		}

		html = ' \
		<img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png" class="dsq-moderator-star" title="Moderator" /> \
		<span class="dsq-comment-header-time"><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')" title="Permalink">' + (_meta.is_realtime ? Dsq.Strings.JUST_NOW : _meta.date) + '</a></span> '
		+ (_meta.parent_post_id && parent_display_name
			? '<a onclick="Dsq.Post.showParent(' + _meta.parent_post_id + '); return false" href="#comment-' + _meta.parent_post_id + '" title="Jump to comment">' + Dsq.Strings.IN_REPLY_TO + ' ' + parent_display_name + '</a>'
			: '')
		+ '</td> \
		</tr> \
		</table> \
		';
		
		html += Dsq.Templates.showPostLikes(post_id);
		
		return html;
	};

	this.showPostLikes = function(post_id) {
		var html = '';
		var total_likes = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].points;
		var user = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].user_voted;
		var expand_likes = (total_likes > 1);

		if (total_likes) {
			html += ' \
			<div class="dsq-sub-header"> \
			<table> \
			    <tbody> \
    				<tr> \
    					<td class="dsq-sub-header-right"> \
    					<span class="dsq-user-like">';

    		if (Dsq.jsonData.integration.hide_user_votes) {

    		    html += '<span id="dsq-like-pts-"' + post_id + '">'
    		            + total_likes + ' ' + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(total_likes, 'person', 'people')
    		            + '</span> ' + Dsq.Strings.LIKED_THIS + '.';
    		} else {
    		    html += (user ? '<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/' + user.username + '" target="_blank"> \
    		            <img src="' + user.avatar_url + '" class="dsq-user-like-avatar" alt="" /></a>' : '');

    			html += (expand_likes ? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.showUserVotes(' + post_id + '); return false">' : '')
    			        + (user ? 
                        (user.display_name ? user.display_name : user.username) 
                        : '')
    					+ '<span id="dsq-like-pts-' + post_id + '">'
    					+ (user ? 
    					(expand_likes ? ' and ' + (total_likes - 1) + ' ' + Dsq.Strings.MORE : '') 
    					: total_likes + ' ' + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(total_likes, 'person', 'people'))
    					+ '</span> ' + Dsq.Strings.LIKED_THIS + '.'
    					+ (expand_likes ? '</a>' : '');
    		}
	
    		html += '</span></td></tr> \
				    </tbody> \
			    </table> \
		    </div>';
		}
		return html;
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		var html = '';
		return html;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		var html;
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed || !_meta.approved) { return ''; }
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left">'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
					? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.moderateOptions(' + post_id+ '); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.MODERATE + '</a>'
					: '')
				+ '<a href="#" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG + '</a> \
			</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right">'
				+ (_meta.votable 
					? '<span id="dsq-like-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-like">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1)" >Like</button>'
						: 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;')
					+ '</span>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-post-edit" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + ')" >' + Dsq.Strings.EDIT + '</button>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<span class="dsq-comment-footer-reply" id="dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(' + post_id +', this)"> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-comment-footer-reply-tab">' + Dsq.Strings.REPLY + '</button><span></span> \
					</span>'
					: '')
			+ '</div> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		return html;
	};



	
	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		var item = '<li class="dsq-comment dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-header"> \
			<table> \
			<tr> \
			<td class="dsq-header-avatar"> \
			';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'" class="dsq-avatar">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {

			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar92.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== ''
				? '</a>'
				: '')
			+ '</td>'
			+ '<td><cite class="dsq-comment-cite">' + reaction.author_name + '</cite> <span class="dsq-comment-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</span></td>'
			+ '<td class="dsq-comment-header-likes"></td>'
			+ '</tr></table></div>' // end dsq-comment-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header" \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-reaction-header-left">'
							+ '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png" />'
							+ ' From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
							+ 'via <a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? 'BackType' : 'UberVU') + '</a>'
						+ '</td>'
						+ '<td class="dsq-reaction-header-right">';

			if(reaction.retweets) {
				var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
				if (num_retweets > 0) {
					if (num_retweets == 1) {
						item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
					} else {
						item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');
						item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
						var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 3) ? 3 : num_retweets;
						item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);
						if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
							item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
								+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
						}
					}
				}
			}
			item += '</td></tr> \
			</table> \
			</div>' // end dsq-reaction-header
			+ '<div class="dsq-comment-body"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '</div> \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer"> \
				<div class="dsq-comment-footer-left"> \
				</div>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator 
					? ' \
					<div class="dsq-comment-footer-right"> \
						<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-hide-reaction" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + ')">Hide</button> \
					</div>'
					: '')
			+ '</div>'
		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions" class="dsq-show-more-reactions"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</button></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 id="dsq-reactions-title" class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-container"> \
			<table> \
				<tbody> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-tl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-tr"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-body"> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
								<div class="dsq-popup-title"> \
									<button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" style="float:right" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)">Close</button>'
									+ content['header'] 
								+ '</div>'
								+ content['body']
							+ '</div> \
							<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
						</td> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-b"></td> \
					</tr> \
					<tr> \
						<td class="dsq-popup-bl"></td><td class="dsq-popup-b"></td><td class="dsq-popup-br"></td> \
					</tr> \
				</tbody> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
	};



	
	this.getFormFields = function(post_id) {

		var fields = {};
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var name = Dsq.$('dsq-field-name' + pid);
		var email = Dsq.$('dsq-field-email' + pid);
		var website = Dsq.$('dsq-field-website' + pid);
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid);
		var password = Dsq.$('dsq-field-password' + pid);

		fields = {
			'name': name,
			'email': email,
			'website': website,
			'username': username,
			'password': password
		}
		
		return fields;
	}
	
	this.validateFields = function(post_id) {
		
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) { return true; }
		
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		
		var nameField = fields.name;
		var websiteField = fields.website;
		var emailField = fields.email;
		
		websiteField.value = (websiteField.value == Dsq.Templates.placeholder['website']) ? '' : websiteField.value;
		
		var v = [{

			validator: Dsq.Validators.name,
			value: nameField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.email,
			value: emailField.value
		}, {

			validator: Dsq.Validators.url,
			value: websiteField.value
		}];
		
		return Dsq.Validators.validate(v, function(e) { Dsq.Popup.popModal(e, 'Oops...') } );
	};
	
	this.checkExistingUser = function(post_id) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);		
		Dsq.Popup.loading(post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].getUserByEmail(fields.email.value);
		}
	};

	this.validateAuth = function(el_clicked, post_id, auth_choice) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		var email = fields.email ? fields.email.value : '';
		var username = fields.username ? fields.username.value : '';
		var password = fields.password ? fields.password.value : '';
		
		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		
		if (post_id) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		} else {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].validateAuth(auth_choice, email, username, password);
		}
	};

	this.lightboxUpdateEmail = function(post_id, new_email) {
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		fields.email.value = new_email;
	};

	this.lightboxAuthenticate = function(post_id, auth_choice, auth_data) {
		var title, body;
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';

		if(typeof(auth_data) == 'undefined') {
			var auth_data = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);
		}

		d = auth_data;

		switch(auth_choice) {
			case 'register':
				var suggestedUsername = d.name.value.replace(/[^a-zA-Z0-9-]/g,'').toLowerCase();
			
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Register a <img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';

				body = ' \
				<ul class="dsq-lightbox-register-reasons"> \
				<li>Verify your comments</li> \
				<li>Edit and delete comments</li> \
				<li>Manage comments and replies</li> \
				</ul> \
				';

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Email</td> \
							<td><input type="text" value="' + d.email.value + '" onchange="Dsq.Templates.lightboxUpdateEmail(' + post_id + ', this.value)" /><div id="dsq-email-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + suggestedUsername + '"/><div id="dsq-username-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /><div id="dsq-password-errors' + pid + '"></div></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'login\'); return false">Login instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button type="button" class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Register and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			case 'login':
				title = Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post ? 'Optional:' : 'Required:';
				title += ' Login to your <img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/embed/disqus-profile.png" alt=Disqus Profile" />';
				body = '';
				
				if(d.avatar_url) {
					body += '<div class="dsq-lightbox-recognized"><table><tr>';
					body += '<td><img src="' + d.avatar_url + '" alt="" /></td>';
					body += '<td><span class="dsq-badge ' + (d.verified ? 'dsq-badge-verified' : 'dsq-badge-registered') + '">' + (d.verified ? 'Verified' : 'Registered') + '</span></td>';
					body += '<td>Hey <strong>' + d.display_name + '</strong>, is that you? Login below to claim this comment.';
					body += '</tr></table></div>';
				}

				body += ' \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-fields"> \
					<table> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Username or Email</td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-username' + pid + '" type="text" value="' + (d.avatar_url ? d.username : '') + '" /></td> \
						</tr> \
						<tr> \
							<td>Password <a href="http://disqus.com/forgot" target="_blank">(cannot log in?)</a></td> \
							<td><input id="dsq-field-password' + pid + '" type="password" /></td> \
						</tr> \
					</table> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-switch-auth"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Templates.lightboxAuthenticate(' + post_id + ',\'register\'); return false">Register instead</a></div> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-lightbox-errors' + pid + '" class="dsq-lightbox-errors"></div> \
				<div class="dsq-lightbox-submit"> \
					<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-post"><button type="button" class="dsq-button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.validateAuth(this, ' + post_id + ',\'' + auth_choice + '\')">Login and Post comment</button></div>'
					+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
						? '<div class="dsq-lightbox-auth-skip"><button type="button" class="dsq-button-small" onclick="Dsq.Templates.postComment(' + post_id + ', this, true)">Just post as a Guest</button></div>'
						: '')
				+ '</div> \
				';
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
		Dsq.$('dsq-field-username' + pid).focus();
	};
	
	this.buttonsToRestore = [];
	this.setLoadingButton = function(btn, post_id) {
		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		if (btn) {

			var loadingBtn = document.createElement('button');
			loadingBtn.id = btn.id + '-loading';
			loadingBtn.innerHTML = '<img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/loading-lite.gif" alt="" /> ' + Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
			loadingBtn.className = btn.className + ' dsq-post-loading';
			btn.parentNode.appendChild(loadingBtn);
			btn.style.display = 'none';
			var cancelBtn = Dsq.$('dsq-cancel-button' + pid);
			if(cancelBtn) { cancelBtn.style.display = 'none'; this.buttonsToRestore.push(cancelBtn); }
			this.buttonsToRestore.push(btn);
		} else {

			var buttons = this.buttonsToRestore;
			for(var i = 0; i < buttons.length; i++) {
				buttons[i].style.display = 'inline';
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$(buttons[i].id + '-loading'));
			}
		}
		
	};

	this.postComment = function(post_id, el_clicked, force, auth_choice) {
		var append_id = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var fields = Dsq.Templates.getFormFields(post_id);

		if (Dsq.Templates.validateFields(post_id)) {

			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && !force &&
				((!Dsq.Utils.readCookie('skipped_auth') && !disqus_skip_auth && !Dsq.jsonData.forum.disqus_auth_disabled) || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post)) {
				Dsq.Templates.checkExistingUser(post_id);
				return false;
			}
			var params = [];
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
				params.push(fields.name.value,
					fields.email.value,
					fields.website.value);

				if (auth_choice == 'login' || auth_choice == 'register') {
					params.push({
						auth_choice: auth_choice,
						username: fields.username.value,
						password: fields.password.value,
						email: fields.email.value
					});
				} else {
					params.push(null);
				}

				params.push(null /* sharing options */, (Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe-on-post' + append_id).checked ? 2 : 0));
			} else {
				var service_checked = function(name) {
					var el = Dsq.$('dsq-sharing-' + name + append_id);
					return (el !== null && el.checked === true) ? '1' : '0';
				};
				params.push(null, null, null, null, {
					tw: service_checked('twitter'),
					fb: service_checked('facebook'),
					tr: service_checked('tumblr'),
					wp: service_checked('wordpress'),
					mt: service_checked('movabletype'),
					tp: service_checked('typepad'),
					yh: service_checked('yahoo')
				});
			}

			var frame = Dsq.frames['reply_' + (post_id ? post_id : 0)];
			frame.post.apply(frame, params);

			if (el_clicked) {
				Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
			}
			
			if (force) {
				Dsq.Utils.createCookie('skipped_auth', true);	
			}
			
		} else {
			return false;
		}
	};

	this.editComment = function(el_clicked, post_id) {
		var edited_message = Dsq.$('dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id).value;

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked, post_id);
		Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].edit(post_id, edited_message);
	};

	this.toggleEdit = function(post_id, text) {
		var body = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-body-' + post_id);
		var message = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + post_id);
		var mediaembed = Dsq.$('dsq-media-embed-' + post_id);

		if (!Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id]) {


			message.style.display = 'none';
			if (mediaembed) mediaembed.style.display = 'none';
			if (Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {

				var edit_area = document.createElement('div');
				edit_area.id = 'dsq-edit-' + post_id;
				edit_area.className = 'dsq-edit dsq-textarea';
				edit_area.innerHTML = ' \
				<div class="dsq-textarea-wrapper"> \
					<textarea class="dsq-edit-textarea" id="dsq-edit-textarea-' + post_id + '">' + text + '</textarea> \
				</div> \
				<div class="dsq-save-edit"> \
					<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Templates.editComment(this, ' + post_id + ')" class="dsq-button-small">Save Edit</button> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id + '" style="display: none"></div> \
				';

				body.appendChild(edit_area);

				if (!Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-edit-iframe-' + post_id), post_id);
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].init();
					Dsq.frames['edit_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
		} else {

			message.style.display = 'block';
			if (mediaembed) mediaembed.style.display = 'block';
			Dsq.$('dsq-edit-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
		}

		Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id] = !Dsq.Post.stateEditToggled[post_id];
	};

	this.edit = function(el, post_id) {

		Dsq.Utils.execScript(Dsq.Urls.GET_COMMENT_MESSAGE + '?post=' + post_id);
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(post_id, button) {
		
		if(!this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

			if (Dsq.$('dsq-reply-post-' + post_id)) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'block';
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id);
				var container = Dsq.$('dsq-textarea-wrapper-' + post_id);
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] && container) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(container, post_id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].init(function() {

						Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.postBox(post_id, true);
						Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id).innerHTML = '';

						var theme = (typeof disqus_frame_theme == 'undefined') ? 'default' : disqus_frame_theme;
						Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-form-area-' + post_id), post_id, {theme: theme});

					});
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + post_id].setState(post_id, _meta.depth);
				}
			}
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-append-post';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply-active';
			
		} else {

			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.$('dsq-append-post-' + post_id).className = '';
			Dsq.$('dsq-comment-footer-reply-' + post_id).className = 'dsq-comment-footer-reply';
		}
		
		this.stateReplyToggled[post_id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[post_id];

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie && this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]) {

		}

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: post_id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[post_id]
		});
	};
	
	this.moderateOptions = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		
		if(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator) { return false; }

		var html;
		
		html = ' \
		<div class="dsq-moderate-options"> \
		<table>'
		+ (_meta.email ? '<tr><td>Email</td><td>' + _meta.email + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ (_meta.ip ? '<tr><td>IP address</td><td>' + _meta.ip + '</td></tr>' : '')
		+ '<tr> \
			<td>Actions</td> \
			<td><ul>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
				? '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
				: '')
			+ '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Delete Comment</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li> \
			</ul></td> \
			</table> \
		</div> \
		';
		
		html += '<p>Go to the full <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/comments/moderate/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
		
		return Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Moderate Options', post_id);
	};
	
	this.placeholder = {
		'class': 'dsq-placeholder',
		'name': Dsq.Strings.NAME,
		'email': Dsq.Strings.EMAIL,
		'website': Dsq.Strings.WEBSITE + ' (' + Dsq.Strings.OPTIONAL.toLowerCase() + ')'
	};
	
	this.handlePlaceholder = function(evt, el, key) {
		var placeholder = Dsq.Templates.placeholder[key];
		var className = Dsq.Templates.placeholder['class'];
		
		switch(evt.type) {
			case 'focus':
				if(el.value == placeholder) {
					el.value = '';
					el.className = '';
				}
				break;

			case 'blur':
				if(el.value == '') {
					el.value = placeholder;
					el.className = className;
				}
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}
	};
	
	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked) {

		var extra_params = '';

		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(el_clicked);
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'don8217t_get_stampeded_by_the_71_parade'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};
	
	
	this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {


		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/loading-small.gif">';
			}
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/vote.js'
				+ '?post_id='    + id
				+ '&vote='        + vote);
		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login('To rate, please log in');
		}
	};

	this.showUserVotes = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/show_user_votes.js'
			+ '?post_id='    + post_id
		);	
	};

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {

		var user_vote_is_displayed = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].user_voted;
		var update_text;
		
		Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].points += 1;
		
		if (user_vote_is_displayed) {
		    update_text = ' and ' + (points-1 || 1) + ' more';
		} else { 

		    update_text = points + ' ' + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, 'person', 'people');
		}
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-like-pts-' + post_id)) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-like-pts-' + post_id).innerHTML = update_text;
		}

		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-like-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.&nbsp;&nbsp;';
		}
	};
	
	this.updateSharingLabel = function(el, post_id) {
		var label = el.id.replace('-' + post_id, '');
		label += '-label' + (post_id ? '-' + post_id : '');
		Dsq.$(label).checked = (el.checked ? 'true' : '');				
	};




	this.onPaginate = function() {

		Dsq.$('dsq-comments-title').innerHTML = '<h3>' + Dsq.Templates.commentCount() + '</h3>';
	};

	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {
		var approved = response.message.post_meta.approved;

		if (parent_post_id) {
			Dsq.Post.toggleReply(parent_post_id);
		}

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
		
		if (approved) {
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		} else {			
			var unapproved_msg = 'Thanks for posting!\
	 Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.\
			';
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(unapproved_msg, 'Comment awaiting approval', post_id, true, 'dsq-popup-unapproved');
		}

		var sharing_results = response.message.sharing_results;
		var sharing_errors = '';
		for (var service in sharing_results) {
			if (sharing_results.hasOwnProperty(service) === true) {
				if (sharing_results[service].error === true) {
					sharing_errors += service + ', ';
				}
			}
		}

		if (sharing_results.facebook && sharing_results.facebook.callback) {
			FB.ensureInit(function() {
				FB.Connect.streamPublish('', sharing_results.facebook.attachment);
			});
		}

		if (sharing_errors !== '') {
			var message = 'Your comment was posted, but there were errors sharing with the following connections: ';
			message += sharing_errors.replace(/,\s$/, '');
			message += '<p><a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/profile/connections" target="_blank">Configure your connections here</a></p>'
			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sharing options');
		}

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};

	this.postComment_onFailure = function(response, parent_post_id, post_id) {

		Dsq.Templates.setLoadingButton(false);
	};
};




// TODO: It might be faster to use string methods to find all <li (...) </li> blocks and pass to Dsq.PostHandler manually.
Dsq.CommentsHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_post = Dsq.Templates.prependPost(post_id);
	var append_post = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(post_id);

	content = content.replace(Dsq.POST_RE, Dsq.PostHandler);
	Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter++;
	head = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContainer(post_id, head);
	return prepend_post + head + content + tail + append_post;
};

Dsq.PostHandler = function(str, h_head, post_id, h_content, h_tail, b_head, b_content, b_tail, offset, s) {
	var prepend_header = Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader(post_id);
	var append_header = Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader(post_id);
	var prepend_body = Dsq.Templates.preBody(post_id);
	var append_body = Dsq.Templates.postBody(post_id);
	var append_footer = Dsq.Templates.postFooter(post_id);

	b_content = b_content.replace(Dsq.POST_BODY_RE, Dsq.PostBodyHandler);
	return h_head + prepend_header + h_content + append_header + h_tail + b_head + prepend_body + b_content + append_body + b_tail + append_footer;
};

Dsq.PostBodyHandler = function(str, head, post_id, content, tail, offset, s) {
	content = Dsq.Templates.Filters.commentContent(post_id, content);
	return head + content + tail;
};

Dsq.MediaPostHandler = function(str, args, offset, s) {
	args = args.split(' ');
	if(args[0] == 'seesmic') {
		return '<br />' + Dsq.Templates.mediaSeesmic(args[1], args[2]);
	}
	return '';
};


/**
 * Shorcuts
 */
Dsq.$ = function(element) { return document.getElementById(element); };
Dsq.$b = document.body || document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];


/**
 * Dsq.Debug: Logging functions.
 */

Dsq.Debug = new function() {this.log=function(s){};this.profile=function(f){if(typeof f == 'function')return f();else return eval(f);};};


/**
 * Dsq.Urls: URL paths
 */
Dsq.Urls = new function() {
	this.LOGIN = '/profile/login/';
	this.LOGOUT = '/logout/';
	this.REPLY = 'http://digitaltrends.disqus.com/don8217t_get_stampeded_by_the_71_parade/reply.html';
	this.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE = '/AnonymousUser/';
	this.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR = 'http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/noavatar92.png';
  this.GET_COMMENT_MESSAGE = 'http://digitaltrends.disqus.com/get_comment_message.js';
};
// Dsq.Urls

/**
 * Dsq.Validators: Validation for form fields
 */
Dsq.Validators = new function() {
	this.VALID_EMAIL_RE = /^[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*\@(([a-z0-9\-\_\+]+(\.[a-z0-9\-\_\+]+)*)+\.[a-z]{2,}|([0-9]+\.){3}[0-9]+)$/i;
	this.name = function(name) {
		var error = false;

		if(typeof Dsq.Templates.placeholder !== 'undefined' &&
		   name == Dsq.Templates.placeholder.name) {
			error = true;
		}
		if(name.length <= 1) {
			error = true;
		}

		if(error) {
			return "Please enter a name to comment.";
		} else {
			return true;
		}
	};
	this.email = function(addr) {
		if(Dsq.Validators.VALID_EMAIL_RE.test(addr)) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please enter a valid email to comment.";
		}
	};
	this.url = function(addr) {
		if(!addr || addr.indexOf('.') != -1) {
			return true;
		} else {
			return "Please check your website URL (this field is optional).";
		}
	};

	this.validate = function(bulk_validation, failure_callback) {
		failure_callback = failure_callback || function(e){ alert(e); };

		for(var i = 0; i < bulk_validation.length; i++) {
			v = bulk_validation[i];
			ret = v.validator(v.value);
			if(ret !== true) {
				failure_callback(ret);
				return false;
			}
		}
		return true;
	};
};

/**
 * Dsq.Utils: Generic utility functions.
 */
Dsq.Utils = new function() {
	this.ie = /msie/i.test(navigator.userAgent) && !/opera/i.test(navigator.userAgent);
	this.ie7 = (document.all && !window.opera && window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true : false;
	this.ie6 = (!window.XMLHttpRequest) ? true: false;
	this.webkit = navigator.userAgent.indexOf('AppleWebKit/') >= 0;
	this.gecko = navigator.userAgent.indexOf('Gecko') >= 0;
	this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache = {};
	this._styleSheet = null;

	this.gebiFromElement = function(el, id, tag) {
		// This only method only helps IE.
		if(!this.ie) {
			return Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var cacheKey = el.id + '-' + tag;
			tag = tag || 'div';
			if(typeof this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] != 'undefined') {
				collection = this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey];
			} else {
				collection = el.getElementsByTagName(tag);
				this.gebiFromElementCollectionCache[cacheKey] = collection;
			}

			for(var i = 0; i < collection.length; i++) {
				if(collection[i].id == id) {
					return collection[i];
				}
			}
			return null;
		}
	};

	this.execOnReady = function(func) {
		var node = document.createElement('document:ready');
		try {
			node.doScroll('left');
			func();
			node = null;
		} catch(err) {
			setTimeout(function() { Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(func); }, 10);
		}
	};


	// Courtesy of http://www.quirksmode.org/js/cookies.html
	this.createCookie = function(name,value) {
		document.cookie = name+"="+value+"; path=/";
	};

	this.readCookie = function(name) {
		var nameEQ = name + "=";
		var ca = document.cookie.split(';');
		for(var i=0;i < ca.length;i++) {
			var c = ca[i];
			while (c.charAt(0)==' ') c = c.substring(1,c.length);
			if (c.indexOf(nameEQ) == 0) return c.substring(nameEQ.length,c.length);
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.eraseCookie = function(name) {
		var date = new Date();
		date.setTime(date.getTime()+(-1*24*60*60*1000));
		document.cookie = name+"=;expires="+date.toGMTString()+"; path=/";
	};

	this.deleteNode = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			this.deleteChildren(node);
			if(typeof node.outerHTML != 'undefined') { node.outerHTML = ''; }
			else if(node.parentNode) { node.parentNode.removeChild(node); }
			delete node;
		}
	};

	this.deleteChildren = function(node) {
		if(node) {
			for(var x = node.childNodes.length-1; x >= 0; x--) {
				var childNode = node.childNodes[x];
				if(childNode.hasChildNodes()) { this.deleteChildren(childNode); }
				if(typeof childNode.outerHTML != 'undefined') { childNode.outerHTML = ''; }
				else node.removeChild(childNode);
				delete childNode;
			}
		}
	};

	this.findPos = function(obj) {
		var curleft = 0;
		var curtop = 0;
		if (obj.offsetParent) {
			do {
				curleft += obj.offsetLeft;
				curtop += obj.offsetTop;
			} while (obj = obj.offsetParent);
		}
		return [curleft,curtop];
	};

	this.getWindowSize = function() {
		var windowWidth = -1;
		var windowHeight = -1;

		if(typeof(window.innerWidth) == 'number') { //Non-IE
			windowWidth = window.innerWidth;
			windowHeight = window.innerHeight;
		} else if(document.documentElement) { // IE 6+ in 'standards compliant mode'
			windowWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth || document.body.clientWidth;
			windowHeight = document.documentElement.clientHeight || document.body.clientHeight;
		}

		return [windowWidth, windowHeight];
	}

	this.getScrollPos = function() {
		var scrollWidth, scrollTop;

		if(document.documentElement && (document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.documentElement.scrollWidth)) {
			scrollWidth = document.documentElement.scrollWidth;
			// IE is weird here.  If no doctype is provided, document.body.scrollTop is 0,
			// otherwise document.documentElement.scrollTop is 0.
			scrollTop = document.documentElement.scrollTop || document.body.scrollTop;
		} else if(document.body.scrollTop && document.body.scrollWidth) {
			scrollWidth = document.body.scrollWidth;
			scrollTop = document.body.scrollTop;
		}

		return [scrollWidth, scrollTop];
	}

	this.addEventListener = function(instance, eventName, listener) {
		var listenerFn = listener;
		if (instance.addEventListener) {
			instance.addEventListener(eventName, listenerFn, false);
		} else if (instance.attachEvent) {
			listenerFn = function() {
				listener(window.event);
			};
			instance.attachEvent("on" + eventName, listenerFn);
		} else {
			throw new Error("Event registration not supported");
		}
		return {
			instance: instance,
			name: eventName,
			listener: listenerFn
		};
	};

	this.removeEventListener = function(event) {
		var instance = event.instance;
		if (instance.removeEventListener) {
			instance.removeEventListener(event.name, event.listener, false);
		} else if (instance.detachEvent) {
			instance.detachEvent("on" + event.name, event.listener);
		}
	};

	this.fixIframesIE = function(id) {
		var disqusThread = Dsq.$(disqus_container_id);
		var iframes = disqusThread.getElementsByTagName('iframe');

		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$(id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-content');
		}

		for(i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) {
			if (container) {
				iframes[i].style.width = container.offsetWidth;
			}
		}
	};

	this.getElementsByClassName = function(oElm, strTagName, strClassName) {
	/* Credit: Jonathan Snook [http://www.snook.ca/jonathan], Robert Nyman [http://www.robertnyman.com] */
		var arrElements = (strTagName == "*" && oElm.all)? oElm.all : oElm.getElementsByTagName(strTagName);
		var arrReturnElements = new Array();
		strClassName = strClassName.replace(/\-/g, "\\-");
		var oRegExp = new RegExp("(^|\\s)" + strClassName + "(\\s|$)");
		var oElement;
		for(var i = 0; i < arrElements.length; i++) {
			oElement = arrElements[i];
			if(oRegExp.test(oElement.className)) {
				arrReturnElements.push(oElement);
			}
		}
		return (arrReturnElements);
	};

	this.postToUrl = function(url, post_data, opt_redirect) {
		var form = document.createElement('form');
		var iframe_container = document.createElement('div');
		var id = 'dsq-temp-iframe-' + (new Date()).getTime();

		form.method = 'POST';
		form.action = url;
		if (!opt_redirect) {
			form.target = id;
		}
		iframe_container.innerHTML = '<iframe style="display:none" name="' + id + '" id="' + id + '"></iframe>';

		for(var key in post_data) {
			if(post_data.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var input = document.createElement('input');
				input.name = key;
				input.type = 'hidden';
				input.value = post_data[key];

				form.appendChild(input);
			}
		}

		Dsq.$b.appendChild(iframe_container);
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(form);
		form.submit();
	};

	// Strips integer id from id of element in the form ('some-id-###')
	this.extractId = function(e) {
		var chunks = e.id.split('-');
		if(chunks.length <= 1) {
			return 0;
		} else {
			var retval = parseInt(chunks[chunks.length-1]);
			return !isNaN(retval) ? retval : null;
		}
	};

	this.getStyle = function(el, styleProp) {
		if(el.currentStyle) {
			var y = el.currentStyle[styleProp];
		} else if(window.getComputedStyle) {
			var y = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(el, null).getPropertyValue(styleProp);
		}

		if(y == 'transparent' || y == '') {
			this.getStyle(el.parentNode, styleProp);
		} else {
			return y;
		}
	};

	this.execScript = function(url, append_qs, container) {
		var script = document.createElement('script');
		append_qs = typeof append_qs == 'undefined' ? true : append_qs;
		container = container || Dsq.container;

		if(append_qs) {
			var j = (url.indexOf('?') >= 0) ? '&' : '?';
			url += j + (new Date()).getTime();
		}
		script.type = 'text/javascript';
		script.charset = 'UTF-8';
		script.src = url;
		container.appendChild(script);
		return script;
	};

	this.pluralize = function(num, singular, plural) {
		return (num != 1) ? plural || 's' : singular || '';
	};

	this.getRequestParams = function(queryString /* optional */) {
		var pairs, tuple;
		var params = {};

		queryString = queryString || window.location.search.substring(1);
		pairs = queryString.split('&');

		for (var i = 0, pair; pair = pairs[i]; i++) {
			tuple = pair.split('=');
			params[tuple[0]] = (tuple[1] || true);
		}

		return params;
	};

	this.addCssRule = function(selector, styleText, index) {
		var stylesheet;
		index = index || 0;

		if(!this._styleSheet) {
			var styleEl = document.createElement('style');
			document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(styleEl);
			this._styleSheet = styleEl.sheet;
			if(!this._styleSheet) {
				// IE does not like our newly created stylesheet.
				this._styleSheet = document.styleSheets[document.styleSheets.length-1];
			}
		}
		stylesheet = this._styleSheet;

		if(stylesheet.insertRule) {
			var ruleText = selector + ' { ' + styleText + ' }';
			if(index == -1) {
				index = stylesheet.cssRules.length;
			}
			stylesheet.insertRule(ruleText, index);
		} else if(stylesheet.addRule) {
			stylesheet.addRule(selector, styleText, index);
		}
	};

	this.forEachIn = function(obj, callback) {
		for(var key in obj) {
			if(obj.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				callback(key, obj[key]);
			}
		}
	};

	this._interpolateGlobalContext = {
		// values that get used a lot and are global to the request
		'profile_url': Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE,

		'disqus_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url,
		'media_url': Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url,
		'request_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.username,
		'request_display_username': Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username,
		'forum_name': Dsq.jsonData.forum.name
	};

	this.renderFromContextStack = function(key, contexts) {
		// Returns the first instance of `key` in the array of objects `contexts` or else ''
		for (var i=0; i<contexts.length; i++) {
			if (contexts[i][key] !== undefined) {
				return String(contexts[i][key]);
			}
		}
		throw new Error('key ' + key + ' not found in context');
	};

	var that = this;
	this.interpolate = function(fmt, opt_localContext) {
		// Interpolate `fmt` named-format string with an assumed global context.
		// Based on `interpolate` in django.views.i18n
		var contextStack = [opt_localContext || {}, that._interpolateGlobalContext];
		return fmt.replace(/%\(\w+\)s/g, function(match){
			return that.renderFromContextStack(match.slice(2,-2), contextStack);
		});
	};

	this.stripTags = function(s) {
		// Removes HTML tags from `s`
		return s.replace(/(<([^>]+)>)/g,"");

	};

	this.assert = function(b) {
		if (!b) {
			throw new Error('Assertion error.');
		}
	};
	
	this.getFileDirectory = function(user_id, name) {
		var dir_a, dir_b;

		if (name === undefined ) {
			var name = 'uploads';
		}
		
		if (user_id >= 32117) {
			dir_a = user_id / 10000;
			dir_b = user_id % 10000;
			
			return Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/' + name + '/users/' + dir_a + '/' + dir_b;
		} else {
			return Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/' + name + '/users/' + user_id;
		}
	};

};
// Dsq.Utils

/**
 * Dsq.Popup: Popup helper functions.
 */
Dsq.Popup = new function() {
	this.timeHide = new Array();
	this.timeShow = new Array();
	this.activePopup = {};
	this.profileCache = {};
	this.statusCache = {};

	this.showTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the hide timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeHide[post_id]);

		// start the timer
		if(!Dsq.Popup.profileIsOn && !Dsq.Thread.adminIsOn) {
			this.timeShow[post_id] = setTimeout("Dsq.Popup.popProfile(\"" + post_id + "\")", 400);
		}
	};

	this.hideTimer = function(post_id) {
		// clear the show timer
		clearTimeout(this.timeShow[post_id]);
	};

	this.updateProfile = function(username) {
		// Callback from /embed/profile.js
		if (this.statusCache[username]) {
			var statusEl = Dsq.$('dsq-profile-status-' + username);
			statusEl.innerHTML = this.statusCache[username];
			statusEl.style.display = 'block';
		}

		if (this.profileCache[username]) {
			var _cache = this.profileCache[username];

			var _genhtml = function(stat, text) { return '<span class="dsq-profile-stat-' + stat + '"><big>' + text + '</big></span>'; };
			var _no_comments = _genhtml('comments', Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_COMMENTS(_cache.comments_count));
			var _no_likes = _genhtml('liked', Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_LIKES(_cache.likes_count));
			var _no_points = _genhtml('points', Dsq.FmtStrings.NUMBER_OF_POINTS(_cache.points));

			var statsEl = Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + username);
			statsEl.innerHTML = '';

			if (Dsq.jsonData.users[username].registered) {
				statsEl.innerHTML = _no_comments + _no_likes;
			}
			statsEl.innerHTML += _no_points;

			var activeSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.active_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.active_sites[i];
				activeSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (activeSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = activeSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + username).innerHTML = 'This site.';
			}

			var moderatedSites = '';
			for (var i = 0; i < _cache.moderated_sites.length; i++) {
				var site = _cache.moderated_sites[i];
				moderatedSites += '<li><a href="' + site.url + '"> \
					<img src="' + site.favicon + '"/ width="16" height="16"/></a>\
					<a href="' + site.url + '">' + site.name + '</a></li>';
			}
			if (moderatedSites !== '') {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + username).innerHTML = moderatedSites;
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + username).innerHTML = '';
			}
		}

		// Reposition popup after full HTML is rendered

		Dsq.Popup.position();
		
		// if(Dsq.Popup.activePopup && Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el) {
		// 	Dsq.Popup.initPopup(Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id, Dsq.Popup.activePopup.type);
		// }

	};

	this.showCookieMsgs = function() {
		var title = '';
		var message = '';
		var numAlerts = 0;

		Dsq.Utils.forEachIn(Dsq.jsonData.cookie_messages, function(k, v) {
			if (!v) return;

			switch(k) {
				// Cookie: Twitter
				case 'post_twitter':
					if (v === 'error') {
						title = 'Twitter Error!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-error">Oops, we couldn\'t tweet this comment. Please check your <a href="http://disqus.com/account/services">account settings</a>.</li>';
					} else {
						var _msg = v.split(':');
						title = 'Tweeted!';
						message += '<li id="dsq-msg-twitter-success">Your comment was successfully tweeted. <a href="http://twitter.com/' + _msg[0] + '/status/' + _msg[1] + '">Click here to view the tweet</a>.</li>';
					}
					break;
				// Cookie: Unapproved Post
				case 'post_not_approved':
					title = 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-not-approved">Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.</li>';
					break;
				// Cookie: Profile Found
				case 'post_has_profile':
					title = 'Use your existing commenter profile';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-post-has-profile">You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a></li>';
					break;
				case 'user_created':
					var _data = v.split(':');
					title = 'Profile created!';
					message += '<li id="dsq-msg-user-created">You have just created a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, the best way to claim, manage, and track your comments all over the web. \
					<br /><br />A confirmation is being sent to <strong>' + _data[1] + '</strong>. Please check for this email in order to verify your profile. \
					<ul class="dsq-list-tick"> \
						<li>Your username is <strong>' + _data[0] +'</strong>. <a href="http://disqus.com/people/' + _data[0] + '/" target="_blank">Click here to view your public profile</a>.</li> \
						<li>Be sure to set your profile picture, as well as connect your <span class="dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> and <span class="dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> accounts. <a href="http://disqus.com/account/" target="_blank">Click here for account settings</a>.</li> \
					</ul> \
					</li>'
					break;
				default:
					break;
			}
			numAlerts++;
		});

		if(numAlerts > 1) {
			message = '<ul class="dsq-list-bluebullet">' + message;
			message += '</ul>';
			title = 'Thanks for posting!';
		}
		if(numAlerts > 0) {
			if(typeof(disqus_cookie_msgs) == 'function') {
				disqus_cookie_msgs(message, title);
			} else {
				Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
			}
		}
	};

	this.helpBadges = function(post_id) {
		var html = ' \
			<ul class="dsq-popup-help"> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile with a confirmed email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> has a <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> Profile, but has not yet confirmed his or her email address.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span> is not logged in with any account and has not claimed his or her comments.</li> \
				<li class="dsq-help-otheraccts">Other accounts</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-facebook">Facebook</span> is using his or her Facebook profile via Facebook Connect.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-twitter">Twitter</span> is using his or her Twitter profile via Twitter Sign-in.</li> \
				<li><span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-openid">OpenID</span> is using his or her OpenID.</li> \
			</ul> \
		';

		this.popModal(html, 'Help: Types of Commenters', post_id);
		return;
	};
	
	this.helpLogin = function() {
		
		var html = ' \
			<p>In order to properly log you in, your browser needs to accept cookies from all domains.</p> \
			<p>Open up Settings > Privacy. Then, make sure <strong>Accept cookies from sites</strong> is checked. Also, make sure <strong>Accept third-party cookies</strong> is checked as well.</p> \
			<p>After closing your settings, you may try logging in again.</p> \
			<p>Optional: If you would rather add an exception just for Disqus, click "Exceptions..." and add disqus.com as an allowed domain.</p> \
		';

		this.popModal(html, 'Help: Enabling cookies');
	};

	this.permalink = function(post_id) {
		var header = 'Link to this comment';
		var body = '<strong>You are anchored to</strong>:<br />' + document.location.protocol + '//' + document.location.host + document.location.pathname + document.location.search + '#comment-' + post_id;

		this.popModal(body, header, post_id);
	};

	this.login = function(header, body) {
		var h = header || 'Login or Register';
		var b = body || '';
		b += Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: 'dsq-popup-login'});
		b += '</iframe>'; // HACK: Sometimes there is something funky with the IFRAME SRC that causes no end tag
		this.popModal(b, h, null, true, 'dsq-popup-login');
	};

	this.blacklist = function(id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		var title = 'Add to Blacklist';
		var message = ' \
		Adding this person to the blacklist will block him or her from commenting on this site. Check the following types that you would like to add to the blacklist:'
		+ (userData['registered'] ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-username" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-username"><strong>Username</strong>: ' + userData['username'] + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ (_meta.email ?
			'<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
				<input id="dsq-blacklist-email" type="checkbox" checked> \
				<label for="dsq-blacklist-email"><strong>Email address</strong>: ' + _meta.email + '</label> \
			</div>'
			: '')
		+ '<div class="dsq-blacklist-option"> \
			<input id="dsq-blacklist-ip" type="checkbox" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-blacklist-ip-warning\').style.display=\'block\'"> \
			<label for="dsq-blacklist-ip"><strong>IP address</strong>: ' + _meta.ip + '</label> \
		</div> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p id="dsq-blacklist-ip-warning" style="display:none">	\
				Note: Blocking this person\'s IP address may also unintentionally prevent others, who share his/her IP address, from commenting on this site. \
				This may include people who are sharing the same computer, living in the same house, or using the same Internet provider. Only block an IP address as a last resort. \
			</p> \
		';

		message += ' \
			<p style="text-align:center"><button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Post.blockUser(' + id + '); this.disabled=true; this.innerHTML=\'Just one moment...\'">Add to Blacklist</button></p> \
		';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
	};

	this.remoteAccountSettings = function() {
		var body = '';
		// Set up IFrame.
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/_auth/embed/remote_settings/';
		var attributes = {id: 'dsq-popup-account-settings'};
		if (typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}

		body = Dsq.Templates._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
		this.popModal(body, 'Account Settings', null, true, 'dsq-popup-account-settings');
	};

	this.popModal = function(message, title, post_id, use_listener, extra_classes) {
		var container = document.createElement('div');
		var header, body;

		Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);

		if(typeof(title) == 'undefined') { title = ''; }
		if(typeof(use_listener) == 'undefined') { use_listener = true; }

		if(post_id) {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message-' + post_id;
		} else {
			container.id = 'dsq-popup-message';
		}

		header = title;
		body = message;

		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupModal(header, body);
		Dsq.Popup.initPopup(container, post_id, 'message', extra_classes);
		if(use_listener) {
			Dsq.Popup.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', Dsq.Popup._closePopup);
		}
	};

	this.popAlert = this.popModal;

	this.loading = function(post_id) {
		var title = Dsq.Strings.JUST_A_MOMENT;
		var body = '<div style="text-align:center; padding: 5px 0 10px 0"><img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/loading.gif" alt="" /></div>'
		Dsq.Popup.lightbox(body, title, post_id);
	};

	this.lightbox = function(message, title, post_id) {
		// Wraps Dsq.Popup.popModal

		var overlay = document.createElement('div');
		overlay.id = 'dsq-overlay';
		overlay.className = 'dsq-overlay';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(overlay);
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, post_id, false, 'dsq-lightbox');
	};

	this.popProfile = function(post_id, userKey) {
		var post = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id];
		if (post && post.has_been_anonymized) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('This message was anonymized by its previous owner.', 'Anonymized', post_id);
			return;
		}

		if(post_id) {
			userKey = Dsq.jsonData['posts'][post_id].user_key;	
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][userKey];
		var elId = 'dsq-popup-profile-' + userKey;
		var container = document.createElement('div');

		if(this.activePopup.el) {
			this._closePopup(null, true);
			if(this.activePopup.linkClicked) {
				this.activePopup.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		container.id = elId;
		container.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.popupProfile(userKey);

		this.initPopup(container, post_id, 'profile');
		this.popupListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._closePopup);

		if(!this.profileCache[userKey]) {
			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/embed/profile.js'
				+ '?username=' + userKey
				+ '&anon=' + (userData['registered'] ? 0 : 1)
				+ '&f=' + Dsq.jsonData['request'].forum);
		} else {
			this.updateProfile(userKey);
		}
	};

	this._closePopup = function(e, force) {
		var activePopup = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el;
		var id = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.id;
		var link = 'dsq-avatar-' + id; // HACK: Specific to profile toggle target

		// HACK: This event should be gone if there is no active popup.
		if(!activePopup) {
			return;
		}
		if(force || !Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, activePopup.id)) {
			// TODO: This is breaking iE?
			if(Dsq.Popup.popupListener) {
				Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Popup.popupListener);
			}
			
			// Kill overlay
			var overlay = Dsq.$('dsq-overlay');
			if(overlay) { Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(overlay); }
			
			try {
				Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(activePopup);
			} catch(e) {
				// HACK: IE6 throws an error when using deleteNode() with a node containing a <table> in the html.
				activePopup.parentNode.removeChild(activePopup);
			}
			Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {};
		}

		if(!force && Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Popup.activePopup.linkClicked = true;
		}

	};

	this.initPopup = function(popup, post_id, type, extra_classes) {
		popup.className = 'dsq-popup dsq-popup-' + type + ' ' + (extra_classes ? extra_classes : '');
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6 || Dsq.Utils.ie7) {
			// HACK: We can't modify the body before it's ready, so we need
			//       to use an IE-safe "DOMReady" workaround before loading
			//       our popup.
			Dsq.Utils.execOnReady(function() {Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup); });
		} else {
			Dsq.$b.appendChild(popup);
		}

		popup.style.display = 'block';

		Dsq.Popup.activePopup = {
			'el' : popup,
			'id' : post_id,
			'type': type,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};
		
		Dsq.Popup.position();
		
	};
	
	this.position = function() {
		
		if (!Dsq.Popup.activePopup) {
			return false;
		}
		
		var popup = Dsq.Popup.activePopup.el;
		
		var xPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[0] - popup.offsetWidth) / 2;
		var yPos = (Dsq.Utils.getWindowSize()[1] - popup.offsetHeight) / 2;

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
			yPos += Dsq.Utils.getScrollPos()[1];
		}

		popup.style.left = xPos + 'px';
		popup.style.top = yPos + 'px';

	};

	this.isClicked = function(e, id) {
		var t = e.target || e.srcElement;
		while(t && t.parentNode) {
			if(t.id == id) {
				return true;
			}

			t = t.parentNode;
		}
		return false;
	};
};
// Dsq.Popup

/**
 * Dsq.Templates
 */
Dsq.Templates = new function() {
	/*
	 * Counter keeping track of the number of posts iterated over.
	 */
	this.postLoopCounter = 0;
	this.filters = {};
	this.addPostContainer = 'dsq-post-add';
	this.textareaContainer = 'dsq-post-add';

	this.registerTemplate = function(name, func) {
		this['$$_' + name] = func;

		if(typeof DsqLocal.Filters != 'undefined'
		&& typeof DsqLocal.Filters[name] == 'function') {
			// Push filters to this.filters to unify code.
			this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
			this.filters[name].push(DsqLocal.Filters[name]);
		}

		this[name] = function() {
			var ret;

			if(typeof DsqLocal.Templates != 'undefined'
			&& typeof DsqLocal.Templates[name] == 'function') {
				ret = DsqLocal.Templates[name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(ret === undefined) {
				ret = this['$$_' + name].apply(this, arguments);
			}

			if(this.filters[name]) {
				var args = [ret];

				args.push.apply(args, arguments);
				for(var i = 0; i < this.filters[name].length; i++) {
					ret = this.filters[name][i].apply(this, args);
				}
			}

			return ret;
		};
	};

	this.registerFilter = function(name, func) {
		this.filters[name] = this.filters[name] || [];
		this.filters[name].push(func);
	};

	/**
	 * Dsq.Templates.Filters
	 */
	this.Filters = new function() {
		this.commentContainer = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			var classes = [];
			if(Dsq.jsonData.request.page > 1) {
				classes.push('dsq-append');
			}

			//
			// Extra classes used for custom themes
			//

			if(_meta.depth) {
				classes.push('dsq-comment-child', 'dsq-depth-' + _meta.depth, 'dsq-parent-is-' + _meta.parent_post_id);
			}


			//

			if(_meta.author_is_creator) {
				// TODO: We need to deprecate the "special" class since it is not properly prefixed.
				classes.push('special', 'dsq-special');
			}
			if(_meta.author_is_moderator) {
				classes.push('dsq-moderator');
			}
			classes.push(['dsq-odd', 'dsq-even'][Dsq.Templates.postLoopCounter % 2]);

			s = s.substring(0, s.lastIndexOf('>'));
			return s + ' class="dsq-comment ' + classes.join(' ') + '" style="margin-left:' + _meta.depth*30 + 'px">';
		};

		this.commentContent = function(post_id, s) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
			if (_meta.killed) {
				return '<em>Comment removed.</em>';
			} else if (!_meta.approved) {
				return '<em>This comment was flagged for review.</em>';
			}

			s = s.replace(Dsq.MEDIA_POST_RE, Dsq.MediaPostHandler);
			return s;
		};
	};

	//
	// Thread
	//
	// TODO: These need to be stripped of all Django template tags.

	this.authPost = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			return '';
		}
		var result = [];
		result = result.concat([
				'<div id="dsq-auth"',
						Dsq.jsonData.integration.reply_position ? 'class="dsq-auth-bottom"' : '',
						'>',
					'<div class="dsq-by">',
						'<a href="http://disqus.com" target="_blank">',
							(Dsq.jsonData.integration.disqus_logo ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/by-disqus.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">') :
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img src="%(media_url)s/images/embed/dsq-button-120x19.png" alt="discussion by DISQUS">')
							),
						'</a>',
					'</div>',
					'<div class="dsq-auth-header">',
						'<h3 id="dsq-add-new-comment" class="dsq-h3-addcomment">',
								Dsq.Strings.ADD_NEW_COMMENT,
						'</h3>',
						'<div id="dsq-login">',
						(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated && Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post
								? '<p class="dsq-login-message" id="dsq-login-message">You are commenting as a <a class="dsq-help" title="Click for more information" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Guest</a>. You may select one to log into:</p>'
								: '')
		]);
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			result = result.concat([
							Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
								'<a id="dsq-login-toggle" href="%(disqus_url)s%(login_url)s?next=article:%(thread_id)s" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false"><img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsq-profile-btn.png" title="%(log_into)s" alt="%(log_into)s"/></a>',
								{login_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGIN, thread_id: Dsq.jsonData.thread.id, log_into: Dsq.Strings.LOG_INTO_DISQUS}
								),
							'&nbsp; ',
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ?
								'<div id="dsq-fbc-login" onlogin="DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin()" size="medium" background="light" length="short" style="display:inline; margin-right:7px"></div>' :
								''
							),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-twitter-login" class="dsq-twitter-login" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect();" style="display:inline; cursor: pointer"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/twitter-signin-short.png" style="margin-right:7px" /></div>', {}) : ''),
							(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ?
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate(
									'<div id="dsq-openid-login" class="dsq-openid-login" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL();" style="display:inline; cursor:pointer;"><img src="%(media_url)s/images/openid-login-button.png"/></div>', {}
								) : '')
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
						'</div>', // dsq-login
					'</div>', // dsq-auth-header
					'<div id="dsq-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated" ',
						Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated ? 'style="display:block"' : '',
						'>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-pic">',
								Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">' +
																			'<img class="dsq-post-avatar" src="%(avatar_url)s" alt="" /></a>',
																			{avatar_url: Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_AVATAR,
																			url: (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
																					 ? Dsq.jsonData.request.url
																					 : Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + Dsq.Urls.REQUEST_USER_PROFILE) }),
						'</div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>', {url:Dsq.jsonData.request.url})
										  )
										: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(
												Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(profile_url)s" title="%(request_display_username)s">%(request_display_username)s</a>')
											)
									),
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">',
									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="%(media_url)s/images/dsqicon12.png" alt="%(logged_in_as)s"/>&nbsp',
											{logged_in_as: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGGED_IN_AS(Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username)})
										: ''),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote
										? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="%(logout_from_disqus)s">',
											{logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN, logout_from_disqus: Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('DISQUS')})
										: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'twitter')
												? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using Twitter (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
												 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
												: ((Dsq.jsonData.request.remote_domain == 'openid')
													 ? Dsq.Utils.interpolate('using OpenID (<a href="%(disqus_url)s%(logout_url)s?ctkn=%(csrf_token)s" title="Logout">Logout</a>)',
													 {logout_url: Dsq.Urls.LOGOUT, csrf_token: Dsq.CSRF_TOKEN})
													 : ''
													)
											)
									),

									(!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_remote ? Dsq.FmtStrings.LOGOUT_FROM('<span class="logo-disqus">DISQUS</span>') : ''),
									'</a>',
								'</li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
		]);
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect) {
			result = result.concat([
					'<div id="dsq-fbc-authenticated" class="dsq-authenticated">',
						'<div id="dsq-fbc-profilepic" class="dsq-authenticated-pic" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.ProfilePic" size="square" facebook-logo="true"></div>',
						'<div class="dsq-authenticated-info">',
							'<ul>',
								'<li>',
									'Logged in as <span id="dsq-fbc-name" uid="loggedinuser" type="FB.XFBML.Name" linked="true" useyou="false"></span>',
								'</li>',
								'<li class="logout">using Facebook Connect <a href="#" onclick="javascript:DisqusFbcParentController.logout();return false;">(Logout)</a></li>',
							'</ul>',
						'</div>',
					'</div>'
			]);
		}
		result = result.concat([
				'</div>', // dsq-auth
				'<div id="dsq-toolbar-items">',
				'</div>'
		]);
		result = result.concat([
					//
					//
					//
				((!Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_post && !Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) ?
					// Needs to be translated:
					('<p id="dsq-no-anon-msg">Required: Please log into <span class="logo-disqus">Disqus</span> ' +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_fb_connect ? 'or connect with Facebook ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_twitter_signin ? 'or sign in with Twitter ' : '') +
					(Dsq.jsonData.context.use_openid ? 'or sign in using OpenID ' : '') +
					Dsq.Utils.interpolate('to comment on <strong>%(forum_name)s</strong>.</p>')) :
					''
				),
				'<div id="dsq-post-add"></div>',
				'<div style="margin:10px 0">',
				((Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media) ?
						'<a href="#" id="dsq-media-link" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, false, \'media\'); return false">' + Dsq.Strings.USE_MEDIA + ' <small>&#9660;</small></a>' :
						''),
				'</div>'
		]);
		return result.join('');
	};


	this.header = function() {

		var html = '\<h3 id="dsq-comments-count" class="dsq-h3-commentcount">\
	 <span id="dsq-num-posts">105</span> Comments\
	 &nbsp;\
	 <span class="dsq-item-feed">\
	 <a href="http://digitaltrends.disqus.com/don8217t_get_stampeded_by_the_71_parade/latest.rss"><img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/embed/bullet-feed.png"></a>\
	 </span>\
	 </h3>\
	 <div id="dsq-options" style="margin:15px 0">\
	 <span class="dsq-item-sort">\
	 Sort by\
	 <select id="dsq-sort-select" onchange="Dsq.Thread.sortBy(this.value);">\
	 <option value="hot" selected="selected">Popular now</option>\
	 <option value="best" >Best Rating</option>\
	 <option value="newest" >Newest first</option>\
	 <option value="oldest" >Oldest first</option>\
	 </select>\
	 &nbsp;\
	 </span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-cp"><a href="http://digitaltrends.disqus.com/don8217t_get_stampeded_by_the_71_parade/">Community Page</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>\
	 <span class="dsq-item-subscribe">\
	 <img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/embed/email.png" style="width:12px;height:12px;vertical-align:middle">\
	 <span id="dsq-subscribe">\
	 <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a>\
	 </span>\
	 </span>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-alerts">\
	 </div>\
		';

		

		
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) { 
			html = ' \
			<div class="dsq-alert-message dsq-upgrade-message"> \
				<strong>Disqus upgrade available.</strong> Hi ' + Dsq.jsonData.request.display_username + ', this message is being displayed to you because you are a moderator of this site. <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.$(\'dsq-upgrade-message\').style.display=\'block\';this.style.display=\'none\';return false">Click here for details.</a> \
				<div style="display:none; margin-top:10px;" id="dsq-upgrade-message"> \
					A new theme is available with added features. <a href="http://disqus.com/comments/settings/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '/?p=customize">To change your theme, click here</a> and choose the theme Narcissus. \
					If you do not upgrade, you are missing out on features such as: real-time commenting, new sign-in integrations, and an upgrade interface. \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			' + html; 
		}
		return html;
	};

	this.footer = function() {
		var html = Dsq.Templates.pagination();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.authPost();
		

		html += Dsq.Templates.reactions();

		
			html += Dsq.Templates.trackbacks();
		

		return html;
	};

	this.pagination = function() {
		var html = '';
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) { Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = ''; }
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.thread.paginate) { return ''; }

		//
		// TODO: num_paginator still uses the template tag for pagination, 
		// 		while append_paginator does it all in JavaScript.
		//		This should all be in JavaScript.
		//

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages > 1 && Dsq.jsonData.request.page < Dsq.jsonData.thread.num_pages) {
			html = ' \<a class="dsq-paginate-append-text" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this); return false">Show more comments...</a>\
	 <button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-paginate-append-button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this);">Load more comments</button>\
	 <button type="button" class="dsq-button-small dsq-paginate-all-button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.paginate(Dsq.jsonData.request.page + 1, this, 0);">Show all comments</button>\
			';
		}
		
		if (Dsq.$('dsq-pagination')) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML = html;
			return '';
		} else {
			return '<div id="dsq-pagination" class="dsq-pagination">' + html + '</div>';
		}
	};

	this.trackbacks = function() {
		var html = '';

		if(typeof DsqLocal != 'undefined' && DsqLocal.trackback_url && DsqLocal.trackbacks) {
			var trackbacks = DsqLocal.trackbacks;
			var trackback_url = DsqLocal.trackback_url;
		} else {
			var trackbacks = [
			
			
			];
			var trackback_url = 'http://digitaltrends.disqus.com/don8217t_get_stampeded_by_the_71_parade/trackback/';
		}

		html += '<div class="dsq-item-trackback">Trackback URL&nbsp;&nbsp;<input class="dsq-trackback-url" onclick="this.select()" readonly="true" value="' + trackback_url + '"></div>';

		if(trackbacks.length) {
			html += '<ul id="dsq-references">'
			for(var i = 0; i < trackbacks.length; i++) {
				var trackback = trackbacks[i];
				html += '<li><cite><a href="' + trackback.author_url + '" rel="nofollow">' + trackback.author_name + '</a></cite> \
						<p class="dsq-meta">' + trackback.date + '</p> \
						<p class="dsq-content">' + trackback.excerpt + '</p></li>';
			}
			html += '</ul>';
			html = '<h3 class="dsq-h3-trackbacks">Trackbacks</h3>' + html;
		}

		return html;
	}

	this.showRetweets = function(id, limit, element_id /* Optional */) {
		var source, html = '';

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			if (reaction.id === id) {
				source = reaction.retweets;
			}
		}

		if (source) {
			if (limit === 0) {
				limit = source.length;
			}

			for (var j = 0; j < limit; j++) {
				var rt = source[j];
				html += '<a href="' + rt.url + '">' + rt.author_name + '</a>'	+ ((j === (limit - 1)) ? '.' : ', ');
			}
		}

		if (element_id === undefined) {
			return html;
		}

		var element = document.getElementById(element_id);
		element.innerHTML = html;
		return element;
	};

	this.showMoreReactions = function(reactions, has_more, start, limit) {
		var link = document.getElementById('dsq-show-more-reactions');
		var container = link.parentNode;
		container.removeChild(link);

		for (var i = 0, reaction; reaction = reactions[i]; i++) {
			var el = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (el) {
				container.innerHTML += el;
			}
		}

		if (has_more) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = start;
			var l = limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			container.innerHTML += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}
	};

	this.generateReactionHTML = function(reaction) {
		if (reaction.body === null || reaction.body == '') {
			return;
		}

		if (reaction.author_name === '') {
			reaction.author_name = '&nbsp;';
		}

		if (reaction.url === '') {
			reaction.url = reaction.get_service_url;
		}

		/* Reaction HTML begins */
		var item = '<li class="dsq-reaction" id="dsq-reaction-' + reaction.id + '">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-header">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-header-avatar">';

		if (reaction.author_url && reaction.author_url !== '') {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="' + reaction.author_url +'">';
		} else {
			item += '<a target="_blank" href="#" onclick="return false;">';
		}

		if (reaction.avatar_url && reaction.avatar_url !== '') {
			item += '<img src="' + reaction.avatar_url + '"/>';
		} else {
			item += '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/noavatar32.png"/>';
		}

		var service_icon = (reaction.get_service_name == 'trackback' || reaction.get_service_name == 'pingback' ? 'rss' : reaction.get_service_name.replace(' ', ''));
		item += '<img class="dsq-service-icon" src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/reactions/services/' + service_icon + '.png"/>'
			+ '</a></div>'
			+ '<cite><span>' + reaction.author_name + '</span></cite>'
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"><a class="dsq-header-time">' + reaction.date_created + '</a></span>'
			+ '</div><div class="dsq-reaction-body">'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-message">' + reaction.body + '</div>'
			+ '<div class="dsq-reaction-footer">From <a class="dsq-service-name" target="_blank" href="' + reaction.url + '">' + reaction.get_service_name + '</a> '
			+ 'via <a href="' + reaction.source_url + '">' + (reaction.source == 'backtype' ? 'BackType' : 'UberVU') + '</a>'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator ? '&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;<a class="dsq-hide-reaction" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.hide(' + reaction.id + '); return false;">Hide</a>' : '') + '</div></div>';

		if(reaction.retweets) {
			var num_retweets = reaction.retweets.length;
			if (num_retweets > 0) {
				item += '<div class="dsq-reaction-retweets">';
				if (num_retweets == 1) {
					item += 'One more retweet from <a href="' + reaction.retweets[0].url + '">'  + reaction.retweets[0].author_name + '</a>';
				} else {
					item += (num_retweets + ' more retweets from ');

					item += '<span id="dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '">';
					var n_tweets = (num_retweets > 15) ? 15 : num_retweets;
					item += Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(reaction.id, n_tweets);

					if (n_tweets != num_retweets) {
						item += '</span> <a onclick="Dsq.Templates.showRetweets(' + reaction.id + ', 0, \'dsq-reaction-retweets-' + reaction.id + '\');'
							+ 'this.parentNode.removeChild(this); return false;" href="#">Show all</a>';
					}
				}
				item += '</div>';
			}
		}

		item += '</li>'; /* Reaction HTML ends */
		return item;
	};

	this.cookieFailure = function(post_id) {
		if (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || !Dsq.Utils.gecko) {
			// If the user is logged in, we can ignore the cookie failure.
			return;
		}

		var pid = post_id ? '-' + post_id : '';
		var dsq_auth = Dsq.$('dsq-authenticate' + pid);
		var cookie_warning = document.createElement('div');
		cookie_warning.innerHTML = ' \
			<p class="dsq-alert-message dsq-error"> \
				<strong>Warning:</strong> A browser setting is preventing you from logging in. <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpLogin(); return false">Fix this setting to log in</a>. \
			</p>';
		dsq_auth.appendChild(cookie_warning);
	};

	this.reactions = function() {
		var html, reaction;

		if (Dsq.jsonData.reactions === undefined || Dsq.jsonData.reactions.length === 0) {
			return '';
		}

		html = '';
		for (var i = 0; reaction = Dsq.jsonData.reactions[i]; i++) {
			var item = Dsq.Templates.generateReactionHTML(reaction);
			if (item) {
				html += item;
			}
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.has_more_reactions) {
			var d = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url;
			var f = Dsq.jsonData.forum.url;
			var t = Dsq.jsonData.thread.id;
			var s = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_start;
			var l = Dsq.jsonData.reactions_limit;

			var handler = 'Dsq.Utils.execScript(\'' + d + '/forums/' + f + '/more_reactions.js?t=' + t + '&s=' + s + '&l=' + l + '\', true); return false;';
			html += '<li id="dsq-show-more-reactions"><a href="#" onclick="' + handler + '">Show more reactions</a></li>';
		}

		return '<h3 class="dsq-h3-reactions">Reactions</h3><ul id="dsq-reactions" class="dsq-reactions">' + html + '</ul>';
	};
	
	this.missingPermissions = function() {
		return '';
	};

	//
	// Post
	//

	this.prependPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="comment-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.appendPost = function(post_id) {
		var html = '<div id="dsq-comment-reply-' + post_id + '"></div>';
		return html;
	};

	this.postPrependHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-header-avatar" id="dsq-header-avatar-' + post_id + '" onmouseover="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')"> \
				<a id="dsq-avatar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-avatar" href="' + userData.url + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">'
			+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.show_avatar
				? '<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key].avatar + '" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '</a>'
			+ '</div> \
		';
	};

	this.postAppendHeader = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];

		return ''
			+ (_meta.author_is_moderator
				? '<img class="dsq-mod-star" src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/bullet-star.png" title="Moderator" alt="" />'
				: '')
			+ '<span class="dsq-header-meta"> \
				<a id="dsq-time-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-header-time" href="#comment-' + post_id + '" title="Permalink">' + _meta.date + '</a> \
			</span>';
	};

	this.preBody = function(post_id) {
		return '';
	}

	this.postBody = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Deprecate flagging conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		return ''
			+ (_meta.edited
				? '<p class="dsq-editedtxt">(Edited by a moderator)</p>'
				: '')
			;
	};

	this.postFooter = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: Use media should be conditional
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		if(_meta.killed) { return ''; }

		return ' \
			<div class="dsq-comment-footer" id="dsq-comment-footer-' + post_id + '"> \
				<div id="dsq-points-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-likedtxt">'
				+ (_meta.points
					? _meta.points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(_meta.points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.'
					: '')
				+ '</div>'
				+ '<ul class="dsq-comment-options dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.votable
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first dsq-rate" id="dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id + '">'
					+ (!_meta.up_voted
						? '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.rate(this, ' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Like</a>'
						: 'You liked this.') + '</li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-report' + (!_meta.votable ? ' dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-post-report-' + post_id + '"><a href="#" class="dsq-post-report" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + post_id + ', false); return false;">Report</a></li> \
				</ul> \
				<ul class="dsq-list-style">'
				+ (_meta.can_reply
					? '<li class="dsq-list-first"><a href="#" id="dsq-reply-link-' + post_id +'" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleReply(this, ' + post_id +'); return false;">Reply</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ (_meta.can_reply && !_meta.has_replies && _meta.from_request_user
					? '<li id="dsq-edit-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-edit-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit</a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="' + (!_meta.can_reply ? 'dsq-list-first' : '') + '" id="dsq-more-el-' + post_id + '"><a id="dsq-more-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'more\'); return false">More <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
				+ (Dsq.jsonData.forum.use_media
					? '<li id="dsq-media-el-' + post_id +'" style="display:none"><a id="dsq-media-link-' + post_id + '" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.showMenu(this, ' + post_id + ', \'media\'); return false">Use Media <small>&#9660;</small></a></li>'
					: '')
				+ '</ul>'
				+ '<div id="dsq-reply-bar-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar" style="display:none"> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-items-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-items"> \
						</div> \
						<div id="dsq-reply-bar-auth-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-reply-bar-auth"> \
							 \
								 \
								 	<a href="#" class="dsq-help dsq-reply-req-opt" title="You are commenting as a Guest. You may choose to log into an existing DISQUS Profile, your Facebook, Twitter or OpenID account to comment on Digital Trends" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges(); return false">Optional:</a> \
								 \
								<img class="dsq-login-icon" src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/dsq-favicon-16x16.png" alt="" /> \
								<a id="dsq-reply-login-' + post_id + '" href="http://disqus.com/profile/login/?next=article:44036857" onclick="Dsq.Popup.login(); return false">Login</a> \
								 \
									&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img class="fb_login_image" src="http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/images/fbconnect/login-buttons/connect_light_small_short.gif" alt="Facebook Connect"/> \
									<a href="#" onclick="FB.Connect.requireSession(DisqusFbcParentController.onLogin); return false;">Connect</a> \
								 \
								&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									<img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/twitter-signin-icon.png" alt="" /> \
									<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Twitter.startTwitterConnect(); return false">Sign-in</a> \
								 \
								&nbsp;or&nbsp; \
									 <img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/openid-login-icon.png" alt="" /> \
									 <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.requestURL(); return false">OpenID</a> \
								 \
							 \
						</div> \
					</div> \
					<div id="dsq-reply-' + post_id + '"></div> \
			</div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Iframes
	//

	this._makeAttributes = function(attributes) {
		// Makes a tag attributes string out of an object.
		// Caller is responsible for making sure nothing needs to be escaped.
		var result = [];
		for (key in attributes) {
			result.push(' ' + key + '="' + attributes[key] + '"');
		}
		result = result.join('');
		return result;
	};

	this._frameGeneric = function(base_url, params, attributes) {
		if(typeof(disqus_callback_params) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_callback_params = '';
		}

		var default_params = {
			// TODO: These should be moved to Dsq.jsonData.
			'f'				: 'digitaltrends',
			't'				: 'don8217t_get_stampeded_by_the_71_parade',
			// Do we need encodeURIComponent here?
			'ifrs'			: encodeURIComponent(disqus_iframe_css),
			'to_redirect'	: encodeURIComponent(window.location),
			'cbp'			: disqus_callback_params,
			'ff'			: Dsq.Thread.ff,
			'fc'			: Dsq.Thread.fc,
			'ac'			: Dsq.Thread.ac,
			'default_text'	: disqus_default_text
		};

		base_url += '?' + (new Date()).getTime();
		// Add params to default_params.
		if(params) {
			for(var key in params) {
				if(params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					default_params[key] = encodeURIComponent(params[key]);
				}
			}
		}
		// Build querystring.
		for(var key in default_params) {
			if(default_params[key] && default_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				base_url += '&' + key + '=' + default_params[key];
			}
		}

		return [
			'<iframe marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" hspace="0" vspace="0" frameborder="0"',
			(' allowtransparency="true" src="' + base_url + '"'),
			this._makeAttributes(attributes),
			'</iframe>'].join('');
	};

	this.frameLogin = function(opt_attributes) {
		var params = {};
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/login.html';
		var attributes = opt_attributes || {};
		attributes['class'] = 'dsq-post-login';

		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameReply = function(post_id, extra_params, attributes) {
		// Returns the HTML for a reply iframe. Called by Dsq.Iframes.setReplyIframeToContainer
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = Dsq.Urls.REPLY;
		var params = {
			'def_email'		: disqus_def_email,
			'def_name'		: disqus_def_name
		};
		if(extra_params) {
			for(var key in extra_params) {
				if(extra_params.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
					params[key] = extra_params[key];
				}
			}
		}
		if(_meta) {
			params['parent_post'] = post_id;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined') {
			params['per_page'] = disqus_per_page;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_frame_theme != 'undefined') {
			params['theme'] = disqus_frame_theme;
		}
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated) {
			attributes['class'] += '-authenticated';
		}
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, attributes);
	};

	this.frameEdit = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = (typeof post_id != 'undefined') ? Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] : false;
		var base_url = 'http://disqus.com/embed/edit.html';
		var params = {
			'p' : post_id
		};
		return this._frameGeneric(base_url, params, {'class': 'dsq-post-edit', 'name': 'dsq-edit_' + post_id + '-frame'});
	};

	//
	// Menus
	//

	this.menuMore = function(post_id) {
		// TODO: "Remove post" button should hide menu.
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#comment-' + post_id + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.permalink(' + post_id + ')">Link</a></li> \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Profile</a></li>'
	+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || Dsq.jsonData.request.is_global_moderator
		? '	<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>' + (_meta.email ? '<li class="dsq-admin-email">' + _meta.email + '</li>' : '')
		+ '	<li class="dsq-admin-ip">' + _meta.ip + '</li> \
			<li class="dsq-menu-sep"></li>'
		+ (Dsq.jsonData.request.moderator_can_edit
			? ' <li class="dsq-admin-edit"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.edit(this, ' + post_id + '); return false;">Edit Comment</a></li>'
			: '')
		+ ' <li class="dsq-remove"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.removePost(' + post_id + ', 1); return false;">Remove Comment</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-report-spam"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.reportSpam(' + post_id + '); return false;">Mark Spam</a></li> \
			<li class="dsq-block-user"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.blacklist(' + post_id + '); return false">Block User</a></li>'
		: '');
	};

	this.menuMedia = function(post_id) {
		return ' \
			<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(this, ' + post_id + ', \'seesmic\'); return false;">Record video</a></li> \
		';
	};

	this.dropProfile = function(post_id) {
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id];
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][_meta.user_key];

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(null, post_id);
			var html = '';
			var hiddenThreshold = 3; // Define # of services to show before stuffing them in hidden div

			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == hiddenThreshold
					? '<li id="dsq-drop-hidden-' + post_id +'" class="dsq-drop-hidden"><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li class="dsq-drop-services"> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank"> \
						<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>';
			}

			if(i >= hiddenThreshold) {
				html += '</ul></li> \
				<li id="dsq-drop-more-' + post_id + '" class="dsq-drop-more"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Post.dropProfileMore(this, '+ post_id + '); return false"><small>&#9660;</small></a></li> \
				';
			}
			return html;
		};


		var menu = '<li class="dsq-drop-showlnk"><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup.popProfile(' + post_id + '); return false;">Expand &#8663;</a></li>';
		var pointsMessage = '';
		if (userData['registered']) {
			pointsMessage = 'with ' + userData['points'] + ' points (more points are better).';
		}

		if (userData['is_remote']) {
			var domain = userData['remote_domain_name'];
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' is a ' + domain + ' user ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
			menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-' + domain.toLowerCase() + '">' + domain + '</span></li>';
		} else if (userData['registered']) {
			if (userData['verified']) {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a verified commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-verified">Verified</span></li>';
			} else {
				menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has a registered, but unverified, commenter profile ' + pointsMessage + '" onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()">';
				menu += '<span class="dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span></li>';
			}
		} else {
			menu += '<li class="dsq-drop-badge" title="' + userData['display_name'] + ' has not claimed this commenter profile." onclick="Dsq.Popup.helpBadges()"><span class="dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span></li>';
		}

		menu += _includeServices();
		return menu;
	};

	//
	// Popups
	//

	this._popupGeneric = function(content) {
		return ' \
		<div class="dsq-popup-content"> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-top"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-body" class="clearfix"> \
				<div class="dsq-popup-body-padding"> \
					<div class="dsq-popup-header"> \
						<a class="dsq-close-link" href="#" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true); return false"><img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/modal-close.png" alt="" /></a>'
						+ content['header']
					+ '</div>'
					+ content['body']
					+ '<div class="powered-by"><a href="http://disqus.com/comments/">Powered by <img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/embed/disqus-logo.png" alt="Disqus Comments" style="margin-bottom:-5px" /></a></div> \
				</div> <!-- padding --> \
			</div> <!-- body --> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-bottom"></div> \
		</div> \
		';
	};

	this.popupProfile = function(user_key) {
		var userServices = Dsq.Post.getUserServices(user_key, null);
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		var _includeServices = function() {
			var html = '';
			for(var i = 0; i < userServices.length; i++) {
				html +=
				(i == 0
					? '<h4>Connections</h4><ul>'
					: '')
				+ '<li> \
					<img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.media_url + '/images/embed/services/' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '.png" alt="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" title="' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" /> \
					<a class="dsq-service-' + userServices[i].name.toLowerCase() + '" href="' + userServices[i].url + '" target="_blank">'
					+ userServices[i].name
					+ '</a> \
				</li>'
				+ (i+1 == userServices.length ? '</ul>' : '');
			}
			return html;
		};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<table> \
				<tr> \
					<td> \
						<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><img class="dsq-popup-profile-avatar" src="' + userData['avatar'] + '" alt="" /></a> \
					</td> \
					<td> \
						<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user"> \
							<h3>' + userData['display_name'] + '</h3> \
							<div class="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats" id="dsq-popup-profile-user-stats-' + user_key + '">Loading...</div> \
						</div> \
					</td> \
				</tr> \
			</table> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-state"> \
				This is a&nbsp;<span class="'
					+ (userData['registered']
						? (userData['verified']
							? ' dsq-badge-verified'
							: (userData['is_remote']
								? ' dsq-badge-' + userData['remote_domain_name'].toLowerCase()
								: ' dsq-badge-registered')
							)
							: ' dsq-badge-guest') + '">'
			+ (userData['registered']
				? (userData['verified']
					? 'Verified'
					: (userData['is_remote']
						 ? userData['remote_domain_name']
						 : 'Registered')
					)
				: 'Guest')
			+ '</span>&nbsp;commenter profile.'
			+ '&nbsp;<a class="dsq-profile-userurl" href="' + userData.url + '"><strong>View more comments </strong></a>'
			+ (!userData['points']
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice">If this is you, <a href="http://disqus.com/profile" target="_blank">claim it now</a> to manage your comments.</p>'
				: '')
			+ ((userData['registered'] && !userData['verified'] && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username && (Dsq.jsonData.request.username == userData['username'])) && !userData['is_remote'])
				? '<p class="dsq-popup-notice"><strong>Alert</strong>: You have not verified this account. <a href="http://disqus.com/verify">Verify it now.</a></p>'
				: '')
			+ '</div> \
			<div id="dsq-profile-status-' + user_key + '" class="dsq-popup-profile-status" style="display:none"></div> \
			<div class="dsq-popup-profile-snapshot"> \
				<table> \
					<tr> \
						<td> \
							<div id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Most active sites</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-active-sites-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
						<td>'
							+ _includeServices()
							+ '<div id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-wrapper-' + user_key + '"> \
								<h4>Moderator of</h4> \
								<ul id="dsq-popup-profile-moderated-' + user_key + '"> \
									<li>Loading...</li> \
								</ul> \
							</div> \
						</td> \
					</tr> \
				</table> \
			</div> \
			';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupReblog = function() {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<cite><span>Reblog this comment</span></cite> \
		';

		bodyHtml = ' \
			<div id="dsq-reblog-form" class="dsq-reblog-form"> \
			</div> \
		';

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.popupModal = function(title, message) {
		var headerHtml = '';
		var bodyHtml = '';
		var content = {};

		headerHtml = ' \
			<h3>' + title + '</h3> \
		';

		bodyHtml = message;

		content = {
			'header': headerHtml,
			'body': bodyHtml
		};

		return this._popupGeneric(content);
	};

	this.alertContent = function(name, post_id) {
		var alert = {
			'post_not_approved': {
				'title': 'Comment awaiting approval by a moderator',
				'message': 'Thanks for posting. Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.'
			},
			'post_has_profile': {
				'title': 'Use your existing commenter profile',
				'message': 'You have just posted your commment as a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-guest">Guest</span>, but you may already have a <span class="dsq-badge dsq-badge-registered">Registered</span> commenter profile.<br /><br /><a href="http://disqus.com/claim">Log in and claim this comment!</a>'
			}
		};
		return alert[name] || false;
	};

	//
	// Actions
	//

	this.voted = function(post_id, points, vote) {
		// Update number of points
		Dsq.$('dsq-points-' + post_id).innerHTML = points + Dsq.Utils.pluralize(points, ' person', ' people') + ' liked this comment.';

		// Update link text
		if(vote) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + post_id).innerHTML = 'You liked this.';
		}
	};

	this.subscribed = function(status) {
		var title, message;

		if(status) {
			title = 'Subscribed!';
			message = 'You have subscribed to this comment thread. New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox, where you may read and respond by email.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(0); return false">Unsubscribe</a> \
			';
		} else {
			title = 'Unsubscribed';
			message = 'You have unsubscribed to this comment thread. New comments will no longer be sent to your email inbox.';
			Dsq.$('dsq-subscribe').innerHTML = ' \
				<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1); return false">Subscribe by email</a> \
			';
		}

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);

	};
	
	this.highlighted = function() {
		Dsq.Popup.popModal('This comment has been highlighted.', 'Highlighted comment');
	};

	//
	// Media
	//

	this.mediaSeesmic = function(id, thumb) {
		return ' \
			<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_preview" class="dsq-seesmic-preview"><a href="http://www.seesmic.com/video/' + id + '" target="_blank" class="see_link">&nbsp;</a> \
				<div style="display:block;width:160px; height:120px; border:none; background-image:url(http://t.seesmic.com/thumbnail/' + thumb + ')"> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_hide" class="seePlayOverlay" style="display:none;"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',false)" src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/seesmic/stopOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
					<div id="dsq-seesmic-' + id + '_show" class="seePlayOverlay"><img onclick="see_play_video(\'' + id + '\',true)" src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/seesmic/playOverlay.png" width="50" height="50" style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand; border:none; padding-top: 30px; padding-left: 50px" alt="" /></div> \
				</div> \
			</div> \
			<div id="' + id + '_content" style="display:block; width:100%; padding-top:5px"></div> \
		';
	};

	//
	// Callbacks
	//

	this.postComment_onSuccess = function(parent_post_id) {
		// Increment post count
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');
		
		if (num_posts) { 
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) { 
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML) + 1;
		}
	};
};
// Dsq.Templates


/**
 * Dsq.Post
 */
Dsq.Post = new function() {
	this.openedMenu = {};
	this.menuEventListener = null;
	this.stateReplyToggled = {};
	this.stateEditToggled = {};
	this.stateRecordLink = {};

	/**
	 * Inserts a new post into the document.
	 *
	 * @param after_id {Number}	Insert a post before specified id.  If after_id
	 *							evaluates to false, then post in the front.  If
	 *							after_id is -1, post at the end.
	 */
	this.insert = function(after_id, id, message, author) {
		// Skeleton template from thread_posts.html.
		var skeleton = ' \
			<li id="dsq-comment-%(id)s"> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-header-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-header"> \
					<cite id="dsq-cite-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-cite"> \
						<a id="dsq-author-user-%(id)s" href="%(author_url)s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">%(author_name)s</a> \
					</cite> \
				</div> \
				<div id="dsq-comment-body-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-body"> \
					<div id="dsq-comment-message-%(id)s" class="dsq-comment-message">%(message)s</div> \
				</div> \
			</li> \
		';
		var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
		var _user_meta = Dsq.jsonData.users[_meta.user_key];
		var markup = Dsq.Utils.interpolate(skeleton, {
			id: id,
			message: message,
			author_url: _user_meta.blog,
			author_name: _user_meta.display_name
		});
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		markup = markup.replace(Dsq.COMMENTS_RE, Dsq.CommentsHandler);
		div.innerHTML = markup;

		if (after_id === -1) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').appendChild(div);
		} else if (!after_id) {
			Dsq.$('dsq-comments').insertBefore(div, Dsq.$('dsq-comments').firstChild);
		} else if (Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + after_id)) {
			// Get next node after "after_id", so we can insert before it.
			// If "after_id" is the last comment, the target node is the
			// last node.
			
			// var append_post_id = Dsq.Templates.appendPost(after_id).replace('<div id="','').replace('"></div>', '');
			var append_post_id = 'dsq-append-post-' + after_id;
			var node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			while (node = node.nextSibling) {
				if (!node || node.nodeType == 1) { // 1 == Node.ELEMENT_NODE
					break;
				}
			}
			if (!node) {
				node = Dsq.$(append_post_id);
			}

			// insert post as a sibling after dsq-append-post-{id}
			node.parentNode.insertBefore(div, node.nextSibling);
		}
	};

	this.incrementPostCount = function() {
		
		var num_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-num-posts');
		var total_posts = Dsq.$('dsq-total-posts');

		if (num_posts) {
			num_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(num_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
		if (total_posts) {
			total_posts.innerHTML = parseInt(total_posts.innerHTML, 10) + 1;
		}
	}
	
	this.outlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className += ' dsq-comment-outline';
		setTimeout("(function () { Dsq.Post.clearOutlineComment(" + post_id + ") })()", 3000);
	};
	
	this.clearOutlineComment = function(post_id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-' + post_id).className.replace('dsq-comment-outline', '');
	};

	this.showMenu = function(el, id, name) {
		var anchorPos = Dsq.Utils.findPos(el);
		var menu = document.createElement('ul');

		if(this.openedMenu) {
			if(this.openedMenu.linkClicked) {
				this.openedMenu.linkClicked = false;
				return;
			}
		}

		switch(name) {
			case 'more':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMore(id);
				break;
			case 'media':
				menu.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.menuMedia(id);
				break;
			default:
				break;
		}

		// Add menu to document body
		menu.id = 'dsq-menu-' + id;
		menu.className = 'dsq-menu';
		Dsq.$b.appendChild(menu);

		// Position and show
		anchorPos[1] += 15;
		menu.style.left = anchorPos[0] + 'px';
		menu.style.top = anchorPos[1] + 'px';
		menu.style.display = 'block';

		// Set global reference
		this.openedMenu = {
			'el' : menu,
			'id' : id,
			'name' : name,
			'linkClicked' : false
		};

		// Set listener
		this.menuEventListener = Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(document, 'mouseup', this._hideMenu);
	};

	this._hideMenu = function(e) {
		var el = e.target || e.srcElement;
		var openedMenu = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el;
		var id = Dsq.Post.openedMenu.id;

		if(!id) {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link';
		} else {
			var link = 'dsq-' + Dsq.Post.openedMenu.name + '-link-' + id;
		}

		if(!openedMenu) {
			return;
		}

		if(!Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, openedMenu.id)) {
			openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
			Dsq.Utils.removeEventListener(Dsq.Post.menuEventListener);
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(openedMenu);

		} else {
			// Hide the menu if a link was clicked inside the menu.  We can't
			// completely remove the menu until the onclick event on the link
			// fires, but the menuEventListener will prevent multiple menus
			// from polluting the DOM.
			if(el && typeof el.href != 'undefined') {
				openedMenu.style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Post.openedMenu.el = null;
			}
		}

		if(Dsq.Popup.isClicked(e, link)) {
 			Dsq.Post.openedMenu.linkClicked = true;
		}
	};


	this.getUserServices = function(user_key, id) {
		if(!user_key && id) {
			var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
			user_key = _meta.user_key;
		}
		var userData = Dsq.jsonData['users'][user_key];
		var userServices = [];

		// Keep a full list of supported services. This is the order they will display in the drop-profile.
		// Each service must have a corresponding case in _buildServiceUrl()
		var supportedServices = ['blog', 'twitter', 'facebook', 'tumblr'];

		function _buildServiceUrl(serviceName) {
			var data = userData[serviceName];
			var services = {
				blog:		function(d) { return d; },
				twitter:	function(d) { return d; },
				facebook:	function(d) { return d; },
				tumblr:		function(d) { return 'http://' + d + '.tumblr.com'; }
			};
			return services[serviceName](data);
		}

		for(var i = 0; i < supportedServices.length; i++) {
			if(userData[supportedServices[i]]) {
				var serviceUrl = _buildServiceUrl(supportedServices[i]);
				userServices.push({'name' : supportedServices[i], 'url' : serviceUrl});
			}
		}
		return userServices;
	}

	this.dropProfile = function(id) {
		var dp = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-profile-' + id);

		// IE6 needs JS to display/hide. All other browsers use CSS.
		if(dp) {
			if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) dp.style.display = (dp.style.display == 'inline') ? 'none' : 'inline';
			return false;
		} else {
			dp = document.createElement('ul');
		}

		dp.id = 'dsq-drop-profile-' + id;
		dp.className = 'dsq-drop-profile';

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) { dp.style.display = 'inline'; }

		var container = Dsq.$('dsq-header-avatar-' + id);
		dp.innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.dropProfile(id);
		container.appendChild(dp);
	};

	this.dropProfileMore = function(el, id) {
		var hiddenItems = Dsq.$('dsq-drop-hidden-' + id);

		hiddenItems.style.display = 'inline';
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
	};

	this._updateReplyLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "reply / cancel" links based on state.
		var displayDict = {};

		if(id) {
			if(this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				el.innerHTML = 'Cancel';
				displayDict['media'] = 'inline';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'none';
			} else {
				el.innerHTML = 'Reply';
				displayDict['media'] = 'none';
				displayDict['edit'] = 'inline';
			}
		}

		for(var key in displayDict) {
			if(displayDict.hasOwnProperty(key)) {
				var	linkEl = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-el-' + id),
					spacer = Dsq.$('dsq-' + key + '-spacer-' + id);

				if(linkEl) {
					linkEl.style.display = displayDict[key];
					if(spacer) spacer.style.display = displayDict[key];
				}
			}
		}
	};

	this._updateMediaLinks = function(el, id) {
		// Update "use media / cancel" links based on state.
		var appendId = (id) ? ('-' + id) : '';
		var link = Dsq.$('dsq-media-link' + appendId);

		if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			link.innerHTML = 'Cancel Media';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.toggleMediaReply(link, id); return false; };
		} else {
			link.innerHTML = 'Use Media <small>&#9660;</small>';
			link.onclick = function() { Dsq.Post.showMenu(link, id, 'media'); return false; };
		}
	};

	this.toggleReply = function(el, id) {
		// Create reply IFrame
		if (window.disqus_use_postmessage) {
			if (!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				// Create IFrame if it doesn't exist.
				if (!Dsq.frames['reply_' + id]) {
					var _meta = Dsq.jsonData.posts[id];
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-frame-' + id), id);
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].init();
					Dsq.frames['reply_' + id].setState(id, _meta.depth);
				}
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
			}
		} else {
			// DEPRECATED
			if(!this.stateReplyToggled[id]) {
				// Reply toolbar
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'block';
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id), id);
			} else {
				Dsq.$('dsq-reply-bar-' + id).style.display = 'none';
				Dsq.Iframes.hideAllInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id));
				if(this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
					// HACK: Cancel media before canceling self.
					this.toggleMediaReply(Dsq.$('dsq-media-link-' + id), id);
				}
			}
		}

		this.stateReplyToggled[id] = !this.stateReplyToggled[id];
		this._updateReplyLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-reply-' + id); }

		Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED, {
			postId: id,
			opened: this.stateReplyToggled[id]
		});
	};

	this.toggleMediaReply = function(el, id, xtype) {
		id = id || 0;
		if(id) {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + id);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(!this.stateRecordLink[id]) {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id, {xtype:xtype}, 'dsq-post-video');
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, id);
		}
		this.stateRecordLink[id] = !this.stateRecordLink[id];
		this._updateMediaLinks(el, id);

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};

	this.edit = function(el, id) {
		Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id).innerHTML = Dsq.Templates.frameEdit(id);
		el.parentNode.style.display = 'none';
		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE('dsq-comment-message-' + id); }
	};

    this.rate = function(el, id, vote) {
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || Dsq.jsonData.forum.allow_anon_votes) {
			if(vote == 1) {
                Dsq.$('dsq-rate-cont-' + id).innerHTML = '<img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/loading-small.gif">';
            }

            Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/vote.js'
                + '?post_id='    + id
                + '&vote='        + vote);

		} else {
			Dsq.Popup.login(Dsq.Strings.TO_RATE_PLEASE_LOG_IN);
		}
    };

	this.showParent = function(id) {
		var author = Dsq.$('dsq-author-user-' + id).innerHTML;
		var post = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id).innerHTML;
		
		post += '<br /><br /><a href="#comment-' + id + '">Jump to comment</a>';
		
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(post, author + ' said...', id);
	}

	this.report = function(id, confirmed) {
		if(confirmed) {
			Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/don8217t_get_stampeded_by_the_71_parade/post_report/', {'post_id': id});
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Thank you. This comment has been flagged for moderator attention.', 'Successfully flagged');
			Dsq.Utils.deleteNode(Dsq.$('dsq-post-report-' + id));
		} else {
			var title = Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT;
			var message = Dsq.Strings.ARE_YOU_SURE_YOU_WOULD_LIKE_TO_REPORT_THIS_COMMENT_TO_A_MODERATOR + '? \
			<br /><br /> \
			<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true)"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.NO + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.NEVER_MIND + '</button>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Post.report(' + id + ', true);"><strong>' + Dsq.Strings.YES + '</strong>, ' + Dsq.Strings.FLAG_INAPPROPRIATE_COMMENT + '</button><br /><br />'
			+ Dsq.Strings.THIS_WILL_FLAG_COMMENTS_FOR_MODERATORS_TO_TAKE_ACTION + '. \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title, id);
		}
	};



	this.showAlert = function(id, msg) {
		var msgEl = Dsq.$('dsq-comment-message-' + id);
		var alert = '<div class="dsq-comment-alert">' + msg + '</div>';

		msgEl.innerHTML = alert + msgEl.innerHTML;
	};

};
// Dsq.Post


/**
 * Dsq.Thread
 */
Dsq.Thread = new function() {
	this.fc = null;
	this.ff = null;
	this.ac = null;

	
	this.adminIsOn = false;

	
	
	

	this.hlComment = null;
	this.hlCommentClass = null;

	this.getNextComment = function(el) {
		var start_id = el.id;
		while(el = el.nextSibling) {
			if(el.id && el.id.indexOf('dsq-comment-') != -1 && el.id != start_id) {
				return el;
			}
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.getActiveCommentId = function() {
		if (document.URL.indexOf('#comment-') >= 0) {
			var anchor = document.URL.slice(document.URL.indexOf('#') + 1);
			return anchor.replace('comment-', '');
		}
		return null;
	};

	this.highlightAnchor = function() {
		var i = this.getActiveCommentId();
		if (i == null) return false;
		var id = 'dsq-comment-' + i;
		var hash = window.location.hash;

		// Toggle the hash incase the comment isn't available when the page loads
		// for WebKit-based browsers.
		if (Dsq.Utils.webkit) {
			window.location.hash = '';
			window.location.hash = hash;
		}

		this.hlComment = Dsq.$(id);
		// Adding this conditional guard pending #289
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlCommentClass = this.hlComment.className;
		this.hlComment.className += ' dsq-hl-anchor';

		setTimeout("Dsq.Thread.highlightClear()", 3000);
	};

	this.highlightClear = function() {
		if (!this.hlComment) {
			return;
		}
		this.hlComment.className = this.hlCommentClass;
	};

	this.login = function(toggle) {
		// toggle id is #dsq-reply-login-[id]
		var postId;
		if(toggle.id.indexOf('dsq-reply-login') != -1) {
			postId = toggle.id.slice(16);
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-reply-' + postId);
		} else {
			var container = Dsq.$('dsq-post-add');
		}

		if(toggle) {
			if(toggle.className == 'dsq-login-active') {
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed(container, postId);
				toggle.className = '';
			} else {
				Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
				toggle.className = 'dsq-login-active';
			}
		} else {
			Dsq.Iframes.showLoginIframeInContainer(container, postId);
		}

		if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
	};


	this.paginate = function(page, el_clicked, per_page) {
		// Use extra_params to pass any override parameters that we need to persist.
		var extra_params = '';

		// "Per page" can either be overriden by providing it as an argument
		// (per-call) or setting the disqus_per_page override variable (global).
		if(typeof per_page == 'undefined') {
			per_page = null;
		}
		if(typeof disqus_per_page != 'undefined' && per_page === null) {
			per_page = disqus_per_page;
		}

		if(typeof disqus_sort != 'undefined') {
			extra_params += '&sort=' + disqus_sort;
		}
		if(per_page !== null) {
			extra_params += '&per_page=' + per_page;
		}

		Dsq.$('dsq-pagination').innerHTML += '<img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/loading-small.gif">';
		
		if(el_clicked) {
			el_clicked.style.display = 'none';
		}
		
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'don8217t_get_stampeded_by_the_71_parade'
			+ '&p='		+ page
			+ extra_params);
	};

	this.sortBy = function(sort) {
		var disqus_script = document.createElement('script');
		var disqus_date = new Date();

		if (location.hash != '') {
			location.hash = '#disqus_thread';
		}

		if(typeof(disqus_url) == 'undefined') {
			disqus_url = disqus_href;
		}
		disqus_script.type = 'text/javascript';
		disqus_script.src = 'http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/thread.js'
			+ '?slug='	+ 'don8217t_get_stampeded_by_the_71_parade'
			+ '&sort='	+ sort
			+ '&title='
			+ '&'		+ disqus_date.getTime();

		Dsq.$('dsq-comments').innerHTML = '<img src="http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/images/loading.gif">';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(disqus_script);
	};

	this.subscribe = function(status, email) {
		// `status` is an int -- 1 to subscribe, 0 to unsubscribe
		if(Dsq.jsonData.request.is_authenticated || email) {
			// If authenticated user OR anonymous email provided

			if(email) {
				Dsq.Popup._closePopup(null, true);
			}

			Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/subscribe.js'
				+'?status=' 	+ status
				+ '&slug='		+ 'don8217t_get_stampeded_by_the_71_parade'
				+ '&email=' 	+ encodeURIComponent(email));

		} else if(!email) {
			// If anonymous user and no email has been provided yet, prompt for email

			var title = 'Subscribe to this comment thread';
			var message = ' \
				New comments will be sent directly to your email inbox! \
				<div class="dsq-subscribe-submit"> \
					<p><strong>Enter your email address below.</strong></p> \
					<input type="text" id="dsq-subscribe-email"> \
					<button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.subscribe(1, Dsq.$(\'dsq-subscribe-email\').value)">Subscribe</button> \
				</div> \
			';

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, title);
		}
	};

	this.showSettings = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return;
		}

		/* The form has to be re-designed when more options will come out. */
		var html = '<div class="dsq-moderate-options"> \
					<span id="dsq-thread-settings-status" class="dsq-options-status"></span> \
						<table class="dsq-moderator-settings"> \
							<tr> \
								<td><strong>Automatic Closing</strong></td> \
								<td>Do not allow comments after <input size="3" id="dsq-thread-days-alive" value="' + Dsq.jsonData.thread.days_alive + '" type="text" /> days. Using 0 days will disable this feature.<br /><br /> \
								<p class="dsq-form-actions"><button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.updateDaysAlive();" class="dsq-button-small"><span>Save</span></button></p> \
								</td> \
							</tr> \
							<tr> \
								<td class="last"><strong>Moderate all comments</strong></td> \
								<td class="last"><input type="radio" id="dsq-thread-moderate-all" name="moderate_all_comments" value="1" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.thread.moderate_all ? 'checked="true"' : '') + ' />\
										<label><strong>Yes</strong>, moderators must approve all comments before they are published.</label> <br/><br/>\
										<input type="radio" name="moderate_all_comments" value="0" ' + (Dsq.jsonData.thread.moderate_all ? '' : 'checked="true"') + ' />\
										<label><strong>No</strong>, comments don\'t need to be approved before they are published.<label>\
										<p class="dsq-form-actions"><button type="button" onclick="Dsq.Thread.updateModerateAll();" class="dsq-button-small"><span>Save</span></button></p> \
								</td> \
							</tr> \
						</table> \
					</div> \
					Go to the main <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/comments/settings/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '" target="_blank">settings page</a> for more options.'
					+ '';

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Settings');
	};

  this.showModeratorActions = function() {
      if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
          return;
      }

      var html = '<div class="dsq-moderate-options"><table><tr>' +
                 '<td>' + Dsq.Strings.ACTIONS + '</td><td><ul>';
      html += '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.toggleClosed(); return false;">' +
              (Dsq.jsonData.thread.closed ? Dsq.Strings.OPEN_THREAD : Dsq.Strings.CLOSE_THREAD) +
              '</a></li>';
      html += '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.toggleKilled(); return false;">' +
              (Dsq.jsonData.thread.killed ? Dsq.Strings.RESTORE_THREAD : Dsq.Strings.REMOVE_THREAD) +
              '</a></li>';
      html += '</ul></td></tr></table></div>' +
              '<p>Go to the full <a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/comments/moderate-threads/' + Dsq.jsonData.forum.url + '" target="_blank">moderate panel</a> for more options.</p>';
      Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, Dsq.Strings.MODERATE_OPTIONS);
  };

	this.showHelp = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator) {
			return;
		}

		var html = '<ul class="dsq-thread-help">';

		if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled) {
			html += '<li><a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Reaction.reportMissingReactions(); return false;">'
						+ Dsq.Strings.REPORT_MISSING_REACTIONS
						+ '</a> \
						<p>Are you expecting Reactions for this thread, but do not see them? Select this option to tell the system to search again.</p> \
						</li>';
		}

		html += '<li> \
			<a href="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/help/" target="_blank">' + Dsq.Strings.CONTACT_SUPPORT + '</a> \
			<p>For any other issues, please let us know.</p> \
			</li> \
		';
		html += '</ul>';
		Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, Dsq.Strings.HELP);
	};

	this.showMediaEmbed = function() {
			var wrapper = '<div id="dsq-media-embed-%(post)s" class="dsq-media-embed">'
												+ '<h4>Attached files</h4>'
									+ '</div>';
      var thumbnail = '<a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Thread.expandMediaEmbed(%(pos)s); return false;">'
                        + '<img src="%(imgurl)s" style="width:75px;height:75px;"/>'
                    + '</a>';

			var getElement = function(postid) {
					var el = document.getElementById('dsq-media-embed-' + postid);
					if (el) return el;
					var parent = document.getElementById('dsq-comment-body-' + postid);
					parent.innerHTML += Dsq.Utils.interpolate(wrapper, {'post': postid});
					return getElement(postid);
			};

			for (var i = 0, media; media = Dsq.jsonData.mediaembed[i]; i++) {
					var el = getElement(media['post']);
					switch(media['type']) {
					case 1: // Image
              el.innerHTML += Dsq.Utils.interpolate(thumbnail,
									{'pos': i, 'imgurl': Dsq.jsonData.uploads_url + '/' + media['metadata']['thumbnail'] + '/cached75.jpg'});
							break;
					case 2: // YouTube
					case 4: // Flickr
							el.innerHTML += Dsq.Utils.interpolate(thumbnail,
									{'pos': i, 'imgurl': media['metadata']['thumbnail']});
					}
			}
	};

	this.expandMediaEmbed = function(pos) {
			var youtube_embed = '<div style="width:480px;height:385px;"><object width="480" height="385">'
													+ '<param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/%(videoid)s&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param>'
													+ '<param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param>'
													+ '<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/%(videoid)s&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed>'
												+ '</object></div>';

			var media = Dsq.jsonData.mediaembed[pos];
			var html = '';

			switch(media['type']) {
			case 1: // Image
					html = '<p><img src="' + media['location'] + '" onload="Dsq.Popup.position();" /></p>';
					html += '<p><a href="' + media['location'] + '" target="_blank">Original</a></p>';
					break;
			case 2: // YouTube
					html = Dsq.Utils.interpolate(youtube_embed, {'videoid': media['location']});
					break;
			case 4: // Flickr
					html = '<p><img src="' + media['metadata']['medium'] + '" onload="Dsq.Popup.position();" /></p>';
					html += '<p><a href="' + media['metadata']['url'] + '" target="_blank">Original</a></p>';
			}

			Dsq.Popup.popModal(html, 'Attached file', null, true, 'dsq-media-embed');
	};

	this.updateDaysAlive = function() {
		  var days = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-days-alive').value;
		  var status = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-settings-status');
		  Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/update_days_alive.js', {days:days,thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
		  status.innerHTML = 'Saved!';
		  window.setTimeout(function() { status.innerHTML = ''; }, 1000);
	};

	this.updateModerateAll = function() {
			var value = (Dsq.$('dsq-thread-moderate-all').checked ? 1 : 0);
		  var status = Dsq.$('dsq-thread-settings-status');
			Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/update_moderate_all.js', {value:value,thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
			status.innerHTML = 'Saved!';
			window.setTimeout(function() { status.innerHTML = ''; }, 1000);
	};

  this.toggleClosed = function() {
      Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/toggle_thread_closed.js', {thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
      window.setTimeout(function() { window.location.reload(); }, 500);
  };

  this.toggleKilled = function() {
      Dsq.Utils.postToUrl('http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/toggle_thread_killed.js', {thread:Dsq.jsonData.thread.id});
      window.setTimeout(function() { window.location.reload(); }, 500);
  };
};
// Dsq.Thread

Dsq.Events = function() {
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var handlers = {};
	var getHandlers = function(event) {
		if (handlers[event] === undefined) {
			handlers[event] = [];
		}
		return handlers[event];
	};

	// Public
	// Value keys : postId, node, xtype
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED = 1;
	// Value keys : postId, opened
	obj.REPLY_IFRAME_TOGGLED = 2;
	obj.fire = function(event, opt_value) {
		if (!event) {
			throw new Error('Unknown event');
		}
		var value = opt_value || {};
		for (var i=0; i<getHandlers(event).length; i++) {
			getHandlers(event)[i](value);
		}
	};
	obj.addHandler = function(event, callback) {
		getHandlers(event).push(callback);
	};

	return obj;
}();

/**
 * Dsq.Realtime
 */
Dsq.Realtime = new function() {
	var initialized = false;
	var interval = null;
	var last_checked = Dsq.jsonData.request.timestamp;
	var new_posts = [];
	var ongoing_request = false;
	var prev_script = null;

	function updateNewPostCount() {
		var alerts = Dsq.Utils.getElementsByClassName(Dsq.$('dsq-content'), 'div', 'dsq-realtime-alert');		
		for (var i = 0; i < alerts.length; i++) {
			
			alerts[i].style.display = new_posts.length ? 'block' : 'none';
			alerts[i].innerHTML = new_posts.length
			+ ' new '
			+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, 'comment', 'comments')
			+ Dsq.Utils.pluralize(new_posts.length, ' was', ' were')
			+ ' just posted.';
			
			alerts[i].innerHTML += ' <a href="#" onclick="Dsq.Realtime.show(); return false">(' + Dsq.Strings.SHOW + ')</a>';
		}
	}

	function insertNewPosts() {
		var post_id = null;
		var after_id = Dsq.$('dsq-sort-select').value === 'oldest' ? -1 : null;

		for (var i=0; i<new_posts.length; i++) {
			post_id = new_posts[i];
			Dsq.Post.insert(after_id, post_id, Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id].message);
			Dsq.Post.incrementPostCount();
			Dsq.Post.outlineComment(post_id);
		}
		new_posts = [];
	}

	this.enableInterval = function() {
		interval = setInterval(Dsq.Realtime.check, Dsq.jsonData.context.realtime_speed);
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.ENABLED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.PAUSE + ')';
	}

	this.disableInterval = function() {
		if (interval) {
			clearInterval(interval);
			interval = null;
		}
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-status').innerHTML = Dsq.Strings.PAUSED;
		Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').innerHTML = '(' + Dsq.Strings.RESUME + ')';
	}

	this.toggleInterval = function() {
		if (!interval) {
			Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
		} else {
			Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
		}
		return false;
	}

	this.initialize = function() {
		if (!initialized) {
			initialized = true;
			Dsq.$('dsq-realtime-toggle').onclick = this.toggleInterval;
			if (!Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
			if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.realtime_rate == 0 || Dsq.jsonData.realtime_paused) {
				Dsq.Realtime.disableInterval();
			} else {
				Dsq.Realtime.enableInterval();
			}
		}
	}

	this.show = function() {
		insertNewPosts();
		updateNewPostCount();
		return false;
	}

	this.check = function() {
		if (!ongoing_request && Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			if (prev_script) {
				prev_script.parentNode.removeChild(prev_script);
			}
			ongoing_request = true;
			prev_script = Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/44036857/realtime.js?timestamp=' + last_checked);
		}
	};

	this.update = function(timestamp, posts, users) {
		ongoing_request = false;
		last_checked = timestamp;

		if (users) {
			for (var user_id in users) {
				if (users.hasOwnProperty(user_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.users[user_id] = users[user_id];
					}
				}
			}
		}

		if (posts) {
			for (var post_id in posts) {
				if (posts.hasOwnProperty(post_id)) {
					if (!Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id]) {
						Dsq.jsonData.posts[post_id] = posts[post_id];
						new_posts.push(post_id);
					}
				}
			}

			if (Dsq.jsonData.forum.streaming_realtime) {
				insertNewPosts();
			} else {
				updateNewPostCount();
			}
		}
	};

}();

// DEPRECATED
Dsq.Iframes = function() {
	// Different style of object from the above. Hoping to switch to this for some reason.
	var obj = {};

	// Private
	var showIframeInContainer = function(container, id, markup) {
		// Look through container for iframes, hiding them, except show one that matches id
		// If none of them matched id, create a new iframe using markup and insert it.
		// Returns the iframe node if and only if it was newly created.
		var found = false;
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				if (child.id == id) {
					child.style.display = 'block';
					found = true;
				} else {
					child.style.display = 'none';
				}
			}
		}
		if (found) {
			return;
		}
		// The iframe wasn't found, so construct it and add it to the container.
		// Don't use innerHTML because it might reload iframes
		var div = document.createElement('div');
		div.innerHTML = markup;
		var iframe = div.childNodes[0];
		div.removeChild(iframe);
		container.appendChild(iframe);
		return iframe;
	};

	// Public
	obj.makeReplyIframeId = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var id = 'dsq-post-add-iframe';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			id += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			id += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return id;
	};
	obj.makeLoginIframeId = function(opt_postId) {
		if (!opt_postId) {
			return 'dsq-login-iframe';
		}
		return 'dsq-login-iframe-' + opt_postId;
	};
	obj.makeReplyIframeName = function(opt_postId, opt_xtype) {
		var name = 'dsq-reply-frame';
		if (opt_xtype) {
			name += '-' + opt_xtype;
		}
		if (opt_postId) {
			name += '-' + opt_postId;
		}
		return name;
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId, opt_extraParams, opt_className) {
		// Construct the id so we can check if it's already present.
		// Hide any other iframes we find, and show this one if it's found.
		var params = opt_extraParams || {};
		// use xtype in the id and name so we can distinguish media replies from text replies:
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeId(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var name = Dsq.Iframes.makeReplyIframeName(opt_postId, params.xtype);
		var attributes = {
			'id': id,
			'name': name,
			'class': opt_className || 'dsq-post-reply'
			};
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameReply(opt_postId, opt_extraParams, attributes);
		var iframe = showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
		// It was newly created
		if (iframe) {
			Dsq.Events.fire(Dsq.Events.REPLY_IFRAME_CREATED, {
				postId: opt_postId,
				node: iframe,
				xtype: params.xtype
			});
		}
	};
	obj.showLoginIframeInContainer = function(container, opt_postId) {
		var id = Dsq.Iframes.makeLoginIframeId(opt_postId);
		var markup = Dsq.Templates.frameLogin({id: id});
		showIframeInContainer(container, id, markup);
	};
	obj.showReplyIframeInContainerIfAllowed = function(container, opt_postId) {
		if (Dsq.jsonData.context.show_reply) {
			obj.showReplyIframeInContainer(container, opt_postId);
		} else {
			obj.hideAllInContainer(container);
		}
	};
	obj.hideAllInContainer = function(container) {
		for (var i=0; i<container.childNodes.length; i++) {
			var child = container.childNodes[i];
			if (child.nodeName == 'IFRAME') {
				child.style.display = 'none';
			}
		}
	};

	return obj;
}();

Dsq.Twitter = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startTwitterConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._twitterWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/twitter/begin/', 'twitterWindow', popupParams);
		that._twitterInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeTwitterConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeTwitterConnect = function() {
		if (that._twitterWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._twitterInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Yahoo = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.startYahooConnect = function() {
		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=400';
		that._yahooWindow = window.open(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/yahoo/begin/', 'yahooWindow', popupParams);
		that._yahooInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeYahooConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeYahooConnect = function() {
		if (that._yahooWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._yahooInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.OpenID = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.requestURL = function() {
		var message = '<table class="dsq-openid-form"><tr><td style="vertical-align:top;" rowspan="2"><img src="' + Dsq.jsonData.settings.media_url + '/images/openid-icon-100x100.png" /></td>';
		message += '<td><label for="dsq-openid-url">OpenID URL:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-url" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td><label for="dsq-openid-username">Display name:</label></td><td><input type="text" id="dsq-openid-username" /></td></tr>';
		message += '<tr><td class="dsq-openid-submit" colspan="3"><input type="button" value="Sign in" onclick="Dsq.OpenID.startConnect();" /></td></tr>';
		message += "</table>";

		Dsq.Popup.popModal(message, 'Sign in using OpenID');
	};

	this.startConnect = function() {
		var isblank = function(str) {
			return /^\s*$/.test(str);
		};

		var openid_url = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-url').value;
		var username = Dsq.$('dsq-openid-username').value;

		if (isblank(openid_url)) {
			return;
		}

		var popupParams = 'location=0,status=0,width=800,height=500';
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/_ax/openid/begin/' + '?url=' + encodeURIComponent(openid_url) + '&username=' + encodeURIComponent(username);
		that._openidWindow = window.open(url, 'openidWindow', popupParams);
		that._openidInterval = window.setInterval(that.completeConnect, 1000);
	};

	this.completeConnect = function() {
		if (that._openidWindow.closed) {
			window.clearInterval(that._openidInterval);
			window.location.reload();
		}
	};
};

Dsq.Reaction = new function() {
	var that = this;

	this.hide = function(id) {
		Dsq.Utils.execScript('http://disqus.com/forums/digitaltrends/hidereaction.js?' + 'reaction_id=' + id);
	};

	this.reportMissingReactions = function() {
		if (!Dsq.jsonData.request.is_moderator || !Dsq.jsonData.forum.reactions_enabled) {
			return;
		}

		if (Dsq.jsonData.thread.queued) {
			Dsq.Popup.popModal('Your report has been received. The system will automatically search for new reactions; if any are found, they will be displayed on this comment thread.<br/><br/>Thank&nbsp;you.',
												 'Reported missing reactions');
			return;
		}

		Dsq.Utils.execScript(Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + '/forums/digitaltrends/queueurl.js');
	};
};

Dsq.CNN = function() {
	var obj = {};

	obj.authenticate = function() {
		var url = Dsq.jsonData.settings.disqus_url + "/saml/cnn/try/";
		Dsq.Utils.postToUrl(url, {'target': document.location}, true);
	};

	return obj;
}();


if(Dsq.Utils.ie6) {
	(function() {
		DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE = /<div class="dsq-header-avatar"(.*?)>/gim;
		Dsq.Templates.registerFilter('postPrependHeader', function(html, post_id) {
			// Add "onmouseout" for dsq-header-avatar for dropProfile
			// functionality since IE6 cannot use :hover.
			function _headerAvatarReplace(content, inner, _unused, html) {
				return '<div class="dsq-header-avatar" '
					+ inner
					+ ' onmouseout="Dsq.Post.dropProfile(' + post_id + ')">';
			}
			html = html.replace(DSQ_HEADER_AVATAR_RE, _headerAvatarReplace);
			return html;
		});
	})();
}





	// TODO: Move Seesmic code outside of the main script.  Don't let this script clobber the global namespace.
	if(typeof seesmic == 'undefined') { var seesmic = {}; }
	seesmic.widget = new function () {
		this.callback = function (data) {
			playerVersion = data.disqusplayer;
		};
	};

	
	var scriptEl = document.createElement('script');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('type', 'text/javascript');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('src', 'http://seesmic.com/version.js?callback=seesmic.widget.callback');
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(scriptEl);

	
	var scriptEl = document.createElement('script');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('type', 'text/javascript');
	scriptEl.setAttribute('src', 'http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1001/javascript/library/swfobject.js');
	document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(scriptEl);

	function see_play_video(_videoUri, _add) {
		var swf = !!playerVersion ? playerVersion : 'http://seesmic.com/embeds/StandalonePlayer.swf';

		flashcontentDiv = Dsq.$(_videoUri + '_content');
		previewDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_preview');
		hideDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_hide');
		showDiv = Dsq.$('dsq-seesmic-' + _videoUri + '_show');
		if(_add) {
			// push flash widget
			var so = new SWFObject(swf, 'sotester', '300', '270', '9', '#000000');
			so.addVariable('video', _videoUri);
			so.addParam('allowFullScreen', 'true');
			so.addParam('allowScriptAccess','always');
			so.useExpressInstall('swfobject/expressinstall.swf');
			so.write(_videoUri + '_content');

			previewDiv.style.display = 'none';
			hideDiv.style.display = 'block';
			showDiv.style.display = 'none';
		}
		else {
			flashcontentDiv.innerHTML = '';
			previewDiv.style.display = 'block';
			hideDiv.style.display = 'none';
			showDiv.style.display = 'block';
		}
	};





(function() {
	//
	// Load theme.  This overrides the base templates with template functions
	// from the respective themes.
	//
	if (Dsq.jsonData.integration.theme == 4) {
		var theme = 'narcissus';
		// HACK: Set variable on window to use post message.
		window.disqus_use_postmessage = true;

		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Themes[theme]) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Templates[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
		
		for(var prop in Dsq.Post) {
			if(Dsq.Themes[theme] && Dsq.Themes[theme].hasOwnProperty(prop)) {
				Dsq.Post[prop] = Dsq.Themes[theme][prop];
			}
		}
	}

	//
	// Register templates.  This must be done after all themes are loaded.
	//
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('authPost', Dsq.Templates.authPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('header', Dsq.Templates.header);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('footer', Dsq.Templates.footer);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('trackbacks', Dsq.Templates.trackbacks);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('reactions', Dsq.Templates.reactions);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('prependPost', Dsq.Templates.prependPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('appendPost', Dsq.Templates.appendPost);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postPrependHeader', Dsq.Templates.postPrependHeader);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postAppendHeader', Dsq.Templates.postAppendHeader);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('preBody', Dsq.Templates.preBody);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postBody', Dsq.Templates.postBody);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postFooter', Dsq.Templates.postFooter);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('_popupGeneric', Dsq.Templates._popupGeneric);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('voted', Dsq.Templates.voted);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('popupProfile', Dsq.Templates.popupProfile);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postBox', Dsq.Templates.postBox);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('pagination', Dsq.Templates.pagination);
	Dsq.Templates.registerTemplate('postComment_onSuccess', Dsq.Templates.postComment_onSuccess);

})();

Dsq.container.className = "clearfix";
Dsq.container.innerHTML = ' \
<ul id="dsq-comments">\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-25247370">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247370" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247370" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247370">Alvaro</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247370" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247370" class="dsq-comment-message">If I have a 5.1 speaker system and play a movie in blue ray, does it automatically play it in my speakers as 5.1 or how does it work?  Also, I am confused about av receivers and the signal they receive.  Lets say I have a yamaha rx-v1800 (7.1),  it has all kinds of different formats.  If I watch cable tv and the channel isn&#039;t hd, will my receiver still make it play in 7.1 or 5.1 regardless?  Or does the source going through my receiver have to be in that format already?  This is all so confusing for me I wish there was a website that broke all this down barney style.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-25247399">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247399" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247399" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247399">david wright</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247399" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247399" class="dsq-comment-message">i have just bought a new av receiver what offers 7.1,but all my dvds say 5.1 is worth upscaling and forcing the sound to 7.1</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-25247272">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247272" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247272" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247272">Gary</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247272" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247272" class="dsq-comment-message">I only have 5.1, but now I will not even think about going to 7.1 even though I have an Onkyo NR-801. Glad I read this article I was not aware of this Matrix or fakery as you called it.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-25247319">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247319" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247319" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247319">Terry Miller</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247319" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247319" class="dsq-comment-message">I have had Dolby 5.1 since I used Laserdiscs. That was several years ago. A year ago I got a new receiver which supports Dolby DTS. Now, I have seven speakers and a subwoofer. I sure can hear the diffeence. I love this new system and just wish I had more movies that take advantage of it.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-25247266">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247266" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247266" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247266">Roberrt</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247266" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247266" class="dsq-comment-message">I disagree. I have a 7.1 system at home and feel that there is no downside to having additional speakers. If the media I am viewing doesn&#039;t use them all, so what? If it does, then I am at a loss with anything else than 7.1. The author makes the argument that if the media is something less than 7.1 on a 7.1 system then the signal for the additional channels is simulated, but what about the other situation when you have say a 5.1  and you are listening to something that is encoded in 7.1? You are losing out then. If someone is looking to upgrade from 2 speakers, then I say go for the 7.1, even if you aren&#039;t going to use all of the channels.</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-25247259">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247259" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247259" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247259" href="http://www.digitaltrends.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ian Bell</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247259" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247259" class="dsq-comment-message">Great column, I bet there are a number of home theater manufacturers rolling at this. 7.1 IMO is just pure marketing hype. I have a pretty small room here at home 10x12 with a 7.1 capable receiver. I have had a number of people tell me I should add more speakers and I have to explain everytime why its not important to me. Nice to see the experts confirming this.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247260" class="dsq-comment-header">\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247260">Michael</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247260" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247260" class="dsq-comment-message">"With the marketing of 6.1 and 7.1 surround, the industry has decisively outwitted itself. It has convinced many consumers to buy new receivers and more speakers. But it has also undermined the 5.1-channel standard, which is more appropriate for the home, slowing the acceptance of surround sound in general."<br  /><br><br  /><br>I love it! You are right on about that. <br  /><br><br  /><br>I am still using a 5.1 receiver and plan too for many many years.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247261" class="dsq-comment-header">\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247261">Dan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247261" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247261" class="dsq-comment-message">Great analogy...why have more speakers in the rear than in the front? I recently acquired a 6.1 system, and yes, that "center surround" is totally worthless unless the content is specifically encoded for it.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247262" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247262" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247262">Evan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247262" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247262" class="dsq-comment-message">Rather than categorically stating, "don&#039;t bother with 7.1 for the home", can you give us an idea of when it starts to become significant?<br  /><br><br  /><br>For example, one common "fact" you don&#039;t address in your article is the notion (perhaps also marketing hype?) that our ears are less sensitive to sound directionality behind the head; that an additional rear surround channel or two (matrixed or otherwise) somehow "reinforces" the surround images and allows for more believable, localized surround sound (assuming, of course, that we _want_ surround effects to be localized and don&#039;t buy into the dipole dogma).  That would seem to thwart the "why more speakers behind you than in front of you?"-type arguments.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Do you feel this is true or false, and if true, at what size room (or for what kind of listening environments/seating configurations/acuity of hearing) does this become objectively relevant?<br  /><br><br  /><br>Thanks, from a fellow drooler.<br  /></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247263" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247263" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247263">James</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247263" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247263" class="dsq-comment-message">When I upgraded from old Pro-Logic to Dolby Digital/DTS I went directly to 6.1 (with two center surround speakers).<br  /><br><br  /><br>6.1 does sound better then 5.1 even when the content is designed for 5.1 but that maybe down to how well your receiver processes the sound.<br  /><br><br  /><br>But there is no reason to move from 5.1 unless you are replacing your receiver anyway.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247264" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247264" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247264" href="http://tijil.org/blog" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tomas</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247264" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247264" class="dsq-comment-message">I&#039;ve been an &#039;audiophile&#039; since the best home systems were single channel mono, and have moved to each new advance as an &#039;early adopter.&#039; <br  /><br><br  /><br>In this instance, however, 5.1 is where my systems are, and will remain, until there is an actual advance in the art.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Thanks for a needed article!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247271" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247271" href="http://www.l328nud.info/blog/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Paul S</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247271" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247271" class="dsq-comment-message">Nice article! I definitely agree with this. It&#039;s even more true in the UK where our homes are generally smaller than those in the US.<br  /><br><br  /><br>I disagree with the receiver power output statements. Good quality receivers like Denon, Yamaha etc usually match or better their stated outputs, proven by HCC who test to destruction (neaarly) in their labs.<br  /><br><br  /><br>I certainly won&#039;t be going 7.1 anytime soon even though my receiver supports it :)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247274" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247274" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247274" href="http://www.dbmasters.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Dan Ball</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247274" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247274" class="dsq-comment-message">Great article and well spoken. I have went through this exact situation with friends and neighbors looking to set up their home theatres. Unless you have a very large theatre room, 5.1 is plenty. Even my family room/theatre is pretty decent size and 5.1 fills the space wonderfully and I have never even considered upgrading beyond 5.1. But hey, marketing hype works on a lot of people.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247275" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247275" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247275">Chris G</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247275" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247275" class="dsq-comment-message">I agree whole-heartedly with Mr. Fleischmann.  Personally, my surround system is a 5.1, it&#039;s installed in a medium-sized room and the sound is absolutely perfect. The 5 surround speakers have no problems whatsoever filling the room with plenty of sound.  <br  /><br><br  /><br>6.1/7.1 systems only become significant in enormous rooms and high-end "theater" rooms that are becoming more prevalent in upper-class homes.  I&#039;ve heard plenty of 6.1/7.1 systems in action in normal-sized rooms and the surround sound experience is almost identical to that produced by a 5.1 system. <br  /><br><br  /><br>So what&#039;s the primary difference of 6.1/7.1 vs 5.1 surround systems? 6.1/7.1 systems will require more wiring, extra clutter, drilling, and more hassle overall for little or no gain in the digital surround sound experience.  Rather than wasting $ on a 6.1/7.1 system, consider spending the same on a higher-end 5.1 surround system, purchasing the components separately.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247273" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247273" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247273">Richard Corfield</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247273" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247273" class="dsq-comment-message">Why have we always arranged the speakers in a horizontal plane? Would it help to place one in the cieling perhaps, one one in the floor? Then when the helicopter is hovering overhead, it really is hovering overhead - not all around you.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247276" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247276" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247276">Ben Becker</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247276" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247276" class="dsq-comment-message">FYI, as a former movie theatre projectionist, there&#039;s only one 7.1 channel movie sound format (SDDS  8-channel, because the sub is counted as a full chance) and the split is completely contrary to what the receiver companies want the consumer to believe. Instead of 4 surround speakers, SDDS 8-channel uses 5 front channels (L LC C RC R) where the speakers can be put to major use providing background noise and  keeping the center channel clean for dialogue use. <br  /><br><br  /><br>If anyone is interested in a SDDS8 channel,  they are rare, but look for Loews Cinemas built in the last 5 years, and wait for a major Sony or WB release. And try to sit in their bigger auditoriums.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247280" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247280" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247280">Dan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247280" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247280" class="dsq-comment-message">Two reasons to buy a 7.1 receiver instead of a 5.1 receiver:<br  /><br><br  /><br>(1) If you&#039;re lucky, the power supply has enough watts to drive all seven channels.  That means you&#039;ve got more spare power to really drive your five channels.<br  /><br><br  /><br>(2) If your front speakers support bi-amping, you can do it directly from many of the newer receivers, assuming there&#039;s enough power left over to make a difference (see #1).</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247277" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247277" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247277">Chuck Swiger</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247277" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247277" class="dsq-comment-message">This is a fine article, and you make several good points...a good clean 5.1 setup is going to beat an overdriven 7.1 setup that&#039;s clipping anytime.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Nitpick: sensitivity of speakers is measured in dB/W (or perhaps "dB @ 1W measured from 1m away").<br  /></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247278" class="dsq-comment-header">\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247278">wm</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247278" class="dsq-comment-message">A more interested question would be: assuming you already own a 6.1 or 7.1 receiver, is it worth while hooking up an extra rear channel speaker?  In my case, the answer was yes.  I have a reasonably large room, and the surround speakers are off to the side just behind the main listening positions.  So having a single speaker on the back wall helped fill in the gaps a little when we have a bunch of friends over to watch a movie.  And the clipping issue didn&#039;t apply -- my front speakers are self powered (Mackie studio monitors) so all my receiver&#039;s power goes into the center and surround speakers.<br  /><br><br  /><br>On the other hand, 7.1 seems pointless.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Then again, I&#039;m definitely a drooler.  I even have a tactile sound transducer bolted to the couch, which helps make the sound feel more real, without cranking up the volume too much.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247281" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247281" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247281">Jon</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247281" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247281" class="dsq-comment-message">I&#039;ve found that 5.1 -&gt; 6.1 is a very significant upgrade. Having the true rear surround field is a big change, and even my girlfriend commented on the setup.<br  /><br><br  /><br>... And I&#039;m not sure what speaker sensitivity has to do with power handlind.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247282" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247282">Dan Wright</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247282" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247282" class="dsq-comment-message">Great article, and I agree completely.  I&#039;ve had a halfway-decent Sony 5.1 system for several years and have not been able to think of a single reason to upgrade!  What I have sounds great in the space available, and the fake extra channels don&#039;t seem important to me, really...  <br  /><br><br  /><br>I think another problem with pushing these new 6.1/7.1 surround standards is the number of homes already set up with wiring and mounts for 5.1.  If someone was interested in buying new surround gear, they could easily be discouraged from the whole thing by the incompatibility of the "newest" hardware with their existing infrastructure.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247285" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247285">Darryl</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247285" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247285" class="dsq-comment-message">I think the marketing has gotten out of hand somewhat, but there is still a place for 6.1 and 7.1 receivers.  If one is interested in whole house audio then this would make sense.  Dinner parties and the like would be served well to have music playing throughout driven off of several channels.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247287" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247287">Chris/SoopahMan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247287" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247287" class="dsq-comment-message">Thanks for writing this! I&#039;ve been avoiding surround sound for a long time for exactly this reason. I don&#039;t want to buy 5.1 just to find out 7.1 is the new standard. 6.1 just always seemed silly to me. I&#039;ve heard people say theaters use THX 13.1, and with the way HD has gone, I can easily envision companies marketing *that* soon too, saying you&#039;ll get theater quality sound when really they&#039;ll just be faking it even more.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Despite the faulty assumptions of the speaker industry, I will now go have a look at getting some Surround Sound speakers having read this article.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247286" class="dsq-comment-header">\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247286">Doug</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247286" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247286" class="dsq-comment-message">I agree 100% that for the majority of DVD movies 5.1 is the norm. That being said, I have a 7.1 setup on my computer and there are a few games that support 7.1 setups, but I primarily use it to listen to music. Not upmixed to some funky sound matrix though, I switch my Sound Blaster Audigy4 into "stereo surround" and the effect is amazing. Essentially the 3 left speakers all play the left channel and the 3 right speakers do the right channel (the center channel has no sound) and the sub does its thing. The sound completely encompasses the listening area/room and provides a much richer/fuller listening experience. The only things that really rival that are DVD-A/SACD or a really good pair of headphones & amp (to which I also highly recommend). Just remember that the if you&#039;re going to listen to music of your computer and are using decent speakers or headphones, be sure to get music as uncompressed as possible; Windows Lossless format works great for ripped CDs and in some cases can improve the sound quality.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247289" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247289" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247289">Michael</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247289" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247289" class="dsq-comment-message">I use four speakers and a subwoofer. I have the center channel turned off in my surround processor which sends that signal to my front left and right speakers. My two rear surround speakers and subwoofer are setup normally. My main speakers are very high quality so I don&#039;t feel I&#039;m missing much by not having a dedicated center channel and I don&#039;t have a good spot for it since the top of my HDTV isn&#039;t flat anyway.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247291" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247291" href="http://www.theoddorgy.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tek</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247291" class="dsq-comment-message">Another movie projectionist here, and as Ben stated earlier, most of the movies in theaters are running on 5.1 surround. Although we end up having 8 channels (Left surround, left, left center, center, right center, right, right surround, subwoofer) Our processors simply just create the extra channels from the 5.1 encoding and no one can tell the difference. SDDS on the other hand, like ben said, is a true 8 channel sound processor. Something I don&#039;t agree with is how ben stated that it&#039;s only on a few movies here and there. Almost every movie we receive at our theater has a sdds soundtrack on it. There&#039;s only been a few movies that do not. So the next time you&#039;re at the theater, ask one of the managers or projectionists what sound format your movie is playing in. (not an employee, they won&#039;t know what the heck you&#039;re talking about)</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247294" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247294">Bryan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247294" class="dsq-comment-message">Nicely explained.<br  /><br><br  /><br>I actually downgraded from 7.1 to 5.1 when I moved to my new home.  After having 7.1 for two years I decided it was simply not worthwhile and haven&#039;t missed it since.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247300" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247300" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247300">JJ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247300" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247300" class="dsq-comment-message">I disagree with your arguement, but only on the grounds that you&#039;re being short sighted.  In regards to DVD playback you are undeniabley correct: unless you&#039;re using 6.1 or 7.1 equipped media you&#039;re getting nothing better than 5.1<br  /><br><br  /><br>But DVDs are not the only thing that I have hooked up to my receiver.  I&#039;ve also got my PS2 and my XBox in there.  Although they may only be sending 5.1 signals, their newer conterparts may very soon come with 6.1 and 7.1 encoding capabilities.  As it turns out, I am a university researcher in surround sound, focusing on applications in video games and let me say that dynamically generating spatialized surround sound tracks is well within the realm of possibility of the current video game consoles.  There are already PC games that will do it (given that you have a pretty nifty sound card).  I&#039;m not suggesting that anyone should run out and buy a 6.1 or 7.1 system, but before you write them off, consider that DVDs may not be the only thing getting played back through these systems.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247284" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247284" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247284">Chris</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247284" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247284" class="dsq-comment-message">More pragmatic than informative.<br  /><br><br  /><br>It is good to reinforce the quality vs quantity argument, and not overstressing a receiver&#039;s power supply.  But a properly done 7.1 system is undeniably more immersive and capable of far higher quality than a 5.1 system.  The front 3 channels are most important for quality, but to answer your question, the front soundstage covers approximately 60 degrees, where the surround speakers need to cover the remaining 300 degrees.  This is why two surrounds of equal quality and power performs worse than four.  We aren&#039;t very sensitive to rear sound effects, so the effect is subtle and if the burden of installation and equipment is too great, then the pragmatic should stick to 5.1.  But if you can swing it, 7.1 can be incredible.  Dolby Digital IIx and Logic 7 both do beautiful jobs in taking either 2 or 3-channel surround information and spreading them across 4 surrounds.  It widens the sweetspot, improving imaging for all the seats.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247301" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247301">Bobby K</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247301" class="dsq-comment-message">To Chris,<br  /><br><br  /><br>I think you are missing the point. Mark is explaining that in a smaller room 7.1 is a waste because a 5.1 setup give you enough "sound fields" to cover the area. Your arguement only stands true in a larger room or movie theater.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247297" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247297">Nidk</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247297" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247297" class="dsq-comment-message">5.1? How about 4.1. That&#039;s my set-up at home. Mostly it&#039;s because I just don&#039;t have a good place available to put the center speaker. My receiver is configured to do what stereos have done for years with monoaural material - play it in phase at equal amplitude out of L and R. Sounds fine to me.<br  /></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247305" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247305" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247305">Ward</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247305" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247305" class="dsq-comment-message">What nobody&#039;s really mentioned is that 6.1 and 7.1 are only important in larger rooms where the layout of speakers and furniture is ideal. If your room is small enough to get adequate coverage from two rear/side channels, or your couch is against the back wall, for example, a rear center (or two) isn&#039;t going to help you at all. <br  /><br><br  /><br>Of much more use than going out and buying a couple of extra speakers is buying something of high quality that can produce realistic sound. And, buying a receiver or amp that puts out some real, honest wattage to drive them.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247304" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247304" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247304" href="http://www.ideaspike.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ben Williams</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247304" class="dsq-comment-message">Chris,<br  /><br><br  /><br>You talk about "widening the sweetspot", but the fact is, the sweetspot is very much a factor of how wide the stereo field is (front and rear.) Not of 5, 6,, or 7 channels, but of two pair, no more, no less. Once an audience member is sitting close enough to any major radiator (front left or right) that it takes priority over any other, the sweetspot is long gone. And the fact is, a 4-channel system can and will produce a wider sweetspot than one that has an additional center channel, specifically because  the L/R speakers are producing the center information and it will slide with the L/R information as the listener&#039;s position moves, which is NOT the case if you have a center channel.<br  /><br><br  /><br>5.1 is perfectly sufficient, as is 4.0 or 4.1 or 4.2. All else is marketing hype.<br  /><br><br  /><br>By the way, I&#039;m an engineer who specializes in acoustics, and I own multiple surround systems, the absolute best performer among the bunch is a Marantz 4270 set up as 4.2 (that is, a passive sub for each of the front and rear pairs.) Everyone who listens to my comparison setup agrees. I&#039;m sure you would too, if you could but visit me in Montana. :)<br  /></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247303" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247303" href="http://www.ideaspike.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ben Williams</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247303" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247303" class="dsq-comment-message">The fact is, everything since 4-channel has been smoke and mirrors. With a 4-channel system, you can put a sound source *anywhere* in a rectangular space. Including front and center (no need for a center channel at all.) You need (a) sub(s) if you want to go with small visible radiators; but you can put a passive sub on the front set (or both sets) and you&#039;d be fine AND you would have spent less money. The upshot of all this is that a Marantz "quadrophonic" (4-channel) receiver from the 1970&#039;s can decisively outperform all but the high end of "Dolby surround" systems. I own both: A high end Denon 7.1 system and the aforesaid Marantz. The Marantz sounds better. Much better. Unfortunately, today&#039;s encoding requires something like the Denon to break out the four channels, so as consumers, we&#039;re forced into buying 5.1 decoding or more no matter what we do, if we want surround. Basically, we&#039;ve been screwed. And yes, of course 6.1 and 7.1 are total ripoff formats. So is 5.1! It all comes down to the gullability of the consumer (huge) and the urge to sell "new stuff" of the marketroids (also huge.) A marriage made on the short bus.<br  /></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247298" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247298">Tom Donaghue</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247298" class="dsq-comment-message">While good intentioned, this article only convolutes this topic and further confuses sparsely and misinformed consumers.<br  /><br><br  /><br>It&#039;s quite obvious 5.1 configurations are the still the industry standard, proof of this is bulk of the currently mixed soundtracks offered on DVD format.  While this configuration is quite adequate in many listening environments and applications, there are benefits to the use of 6.1 or 7.1 configurations.<br  /><br><br  /><br>As our listening capacity is more capable as well as critical 180 degrees in front of the listening position, the currently used three front channel configuration adequately provides a full sound field.  Evidence of this is found in the amount of information provided in these channels on most soundtracks as well as the emphasis of the loudspeaker&#039;s capabilities to smoothly pan from left to center to right.  It&#039;s possible to provide additional channels ( e.g., far left, far right, left center, middle center and right center), but due to the ability of the accuracy to pinpoint sound in the forward 180 degrees, the further addition of channels or speakers would likely provide diminishing returns.<br  /><br><br  /><br>In a larger listening environment (approx. 2,500 cubic feet or larger) where ample space is available behind the general listening area, a 6.1 configuration provides a more enveloping sound field as opposed to a 5.1 speaker configuration simply due to the fact that the additional channel, while it&#039;s signal is still matrixed from the surround signals (on 5.1 soundtracks, 6.1 discrete soundtracks are available in limited release), can "fill in" the area that the side surround setup falls a bit short on.  One way to possibly fill this void in a 5.1 setup is to use dipole/bipole type speakers which diffuse the surround signal and provide a broader sound field for the listening audience.  This still, however, generally does not produce the more encompassing, spatial sound field a 6.1 configuration is capable of providing.<br  /><br><br  /><br>In addition to the more enveloping sound field the 6.1 setup can provide in comparison to a 5.1 configuration, the 7.1 configuration, in which the two rear surround speakers will split the matrixed surround signal, will produce an even broader sound field as sounds produced behind the listening environment can be distinguished much easier when not located directly behind the listener.  It doesn&#039;t take a scientist to realize our hearing capacity is more prominent in front of us than behind is.  Regardless as to whether the soundtrack was recorded in 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 discrete channels, the additional rear channels help fill in any gaps in the listening area.<br  /><br><br  /><br><br  /><br>Although very few soundtracks have been mixed with 6.1 discrete channels and none (to my knowledge and that are generally available) have been mixed for 7.1, these additional channels or configurations can be quite beneficial depending upon your application or listening environment.  Most of this is subjective, but then again, so is a large portion of any auditory comparisons.  While the necessity of 6.1 or 7.1 is irrelevant, as surround sound in general isn&#039;t quite a "necessity", these options provide just that, more options for the consumer.  The best thing to do is be an informed consumer, for this topic, or any other for that matter.  By the way, since when is having options such a bad thing?  :)<br  /><br><br  /><br>One last note, overdrving your receiver and speaker sensitivity (often confused for efficency) has very little to do with the 5.1 or 7.1 dilemma...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247310" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247310" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247310">Mark Fink</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247310" class="dsq-comment-message">rule #1 do not mix speakers. even if they&#039;re the same brand, make sure they&#039;re timbre matched, especially for all front channels. <br  /><br><br  /><br>also, i find that some movies sound much better in 4.2 matrixed from the 2.1 channel dolby track, simply because they had a terrible sound engineer mix for the dvd.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247308" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247308" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247308">Alex Kubacki</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247308" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247308" class="dsq-comment-message">A few years ago I bought a huge setup of Polk speakers in 5.1 surround sound, but my reciever was backordered for a month, so my old reciever stayed for a while. When the new reciever came in, everyone looked at it and said "man, that 6.1 sounds amazing compared to any 5.1 i&#039;ve ever heard." The real amazing thing is that my reciever has never been in 6.1 mode, and i dont even have enough speakers for it :)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247302" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247302" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247302">Ben L</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247302" class="dsq-comment-message">The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition DVDs are all in DTS-ES (6.1 discrete).  Enough of a reason to have 6.1+ imho.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247311" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247311" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247311">Alex Kubacki</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247311" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247311" class="dsq-comment-message">Also, i agree with using bipole dipole speakers in 5.1. Flipping that switch makes a big difference :)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247270" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247270" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247270" href="http://www.myspace.com/tosus" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tosus</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247270" class="dsq-comment-message">Hello. Great article, though I would like to disagree on a few points.<br  /><br><br  /><br>For the most part I agree with what you are saying. It&#039;s better to spend the money that would go into an additional one or two channels on a higher quality reciever or speakers, but if you see a decent quality reciever at a good price that supports seven or eight channel sound, I would still advise getting it if you are at all into sound. Speaking from experience, the surround sound effect from a discrete 6.1 channel DTS source is an incredible leap from the same track in 5.1. Also, because of the way most home viewing spaces are set up, it can be difficult to place both surround speakers behind the viewers and equidistant to all of them, something a back surround speaker can help copensate for. Finally, you speak about current DVD standards, which is good for now, but if someone is upgrading their home theater system, now would probably be a good time to "future proof" them for upcoming DVD standards, such as HD-DVD and Bluray, which will have the additional space that authorors require for higher-channel surround tracks. Just my opinion, though.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247279" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247279" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247279">Larry Burns</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247279" class="dsq-comment-message">I&#039;m willing to bet that most of the comments here are from people who have not tried 5.1 and 7.1 both in their listening environments.  When I added the second surround pair and enabled Pro-Logic IIx the change was very substantial (medium sized room).  To summarize, the surround field becomes much more seamless and believable.  I can generally localize the surrounds in 5.1 (even w/dipolars) to at least a physical plane in the room.  With 7.1 (all dipolar) there is almost complete immersion.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247299" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247299">Matt</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247299" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247299" class="dsq-comment-message">How many speakers am I running? Four + the sub.<br  /><br>I have the front channel panned center and fed to the left and right. In my 10&#039; x 10&#039; living room, I don&#039;t hear the difference, and it means I can use the true 55W RMS per channel JVC amps that have served me so well for so long.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247316" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247316" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247316">Stan Rozenfeld</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247316" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247316" class="dsq-comment-message">I find that 5.1 is adequate now, but I am going to be getting an hd dvd player and later a blu-ray player.  My understanding is that there is a provision for a full 7.1 (8 full channels) discrete channel set up.  Once they start using all those channels, I think there might be some compromise in limiting yourself to 5.1 speaker system.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247317">Jellodyne</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247317" class="dsq-comment-message">I&#039;ve got 7.1 and it helps my setup. I don&#039;t have optimal speaker mounting positions -- my seating position spread out over two couches that meat at a 90 degree angle. My speakers are by neccesity too close to the couch. Someone on the far wings of the couch is going to get one surround right in the ear and the other all the way across the room. Now then, when my setup transcodes 5.1 -&gt; 7.1 it smoothes out the sound between the two left surrounds and the two right surrounds, diffusing the rear sound more smoothly over a wider area. The same person now only gets like half the sound in his ear and the other part behind him. The opposite surround is still across the room, but there&#039;s also one nearer his position. So we&#039;ve improved that persons&#039; soundstage in both regards -- the too near speaker is less loud and less directional, and the to far speaker is louder. In the center of the soundstage (the meeting point of the couces) there&#039;s not a huge difference, but basically the rear effects are better blended than with a 5.1 setup.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Of course it helps that my receiver is rated an honest 110w x 7 and actually has the current to feed 7 channels without issue.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Finally, both next-gen high def DVD standards support true 7.1 through TrueHD. So the arguement that there is no 7.1 source material is soon to be false. Not that there are any receivers to take advantage of it yet...</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247322" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247322" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247322" href="http://www.treyandcat.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Chocolatemilk</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247322" class="dsq-comment-message">Truly I believe that 5.1 is the more impactful medium, however 7.1 has its place.  In large theater environments (even in homes) 7.1 is a much more enveloping experience.  However most receivers don&#039;t have the firepower to bring that out.  I believe if you are going 7.1 you need to own either a flagship receiver, or separates.  You also need a rather large dedicated space as the correct acoustics for 7.1 are very difficult to acheive in the average living room/den setup.  Even bedroom theaters are too small.  My 27x20 foot space works well with 7.1 as I can directly tell the difference between it now and when it was 5.1, but again, we need more content for it to be more ubiquitous.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247268" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247268">Adam</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247268" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247268" class="dsq-comment-message">Good article.  I agree that [67].1 surround is really overkill at home.  The problem with having so many speakers is that the sound stage isn&#039;t wide enough to accomodate them at home.<br  /><br><br  /><br>You end up with sounds that are highly localised to a whichever speaker is playing the loudest at the time and that is more annoying than not.  The same problem exists with 5.1 system as well, but it&#039;s easier to mitigate with good choice of rear speakers.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Not to mention that most people I have seen get these 5.1 sound systems then put the whole thing in the corner of the room and put the rear speakers right on top of the main ones... and then tell you how you can really hear the surround sound!  These people could not possibly deal with configuring 8 or more speakers.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247326" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247326">Adam</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247326" class="dsq-comment-message">Terry Miller: There is no such thing as Dolby DTS.  Dolby has nothing to do with DTS.  DTS is superior in every way because of this fact.  The only thing DTS doesn&#039;t have is the household name - people expect Dolby is surround sound in the same way they expect VHS is VCR.  Dolby got in first with an inferior product that they marketed better.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247325" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247325" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247325">Keith</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247325" class="dsq-comment-message">Please do not make me confess, or should I just stick with 2ch sound, why get 6 speakers when 2 will do, or just one speaker, ?Why does Rice play Texas?, OKAY I confess, 7.1 is better, sounds better, oops I will have to read up and see if my receiver is about to mess up SACD and DVD-a, but I bet it has a setting to keep that under control.  BUT wait, the sound engineer put full spectrum sound in my sub woofer channel, and another one of those guys wants me to hang the surround channels from the ceiling, now I need HELP????????.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247324" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247324" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247324">Dan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247324" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247324" class="dsq-comment-message">I agree with everyones point of view, overkill soundfield etc. The point is, if you use your 7.1 system for MUSIC in addition to movies it is a fantastic option.  <br  /></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247327" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247327" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247327">Jake</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247327" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247327" class="dsq-comment-message">I am going to agree partially with Chris.  I don&#039;t think 6.1/7.1 will matter to most, but I personally miss some of the non-directional effects of my old Pro Logic listening with Dipole speakers yet still want the direction sound from both sides behind me.  I do understand 5.1 can mimick the effect of a dipole pair, but some particular sounds are just not mimiced as well with 5 directional speakers as they can be with well located dipoles.  If you have to make a pretty good sacrific on components to complete the 7.1 for what you want to spend of course go for the 5.1. But if you can go all out, even for a small room the addition of some good dipoles adds to the sonic experience no doubt.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247312" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247312" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247312">ECA</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247312" class="dsq-comment-message">OK, OK OK...<br  /><br><br  /><br>5.1 is fine, but the amount of room needed for a decent system, above 5.1, is shameful, if you want an AFFECT...<br  /><br><br  /><br>Still wish to go back to Full positional Quad..In the end, its only 4 speakers and 1 center channel.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247313">Ed</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247313" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247313" class="dsq-comment-message">I have a 7.1 setup at home, mostly because I could. I find it near impossible to find any content that is encoded at 6.1 or 7.1 so I end up using the system as a 5.1 rather than "faking" the extra rear channel. So I will agree, 7.1 is overkill. There is no content and most rooms do not need the extra sound fields for the space. <br  /><br><br  /><br>I question the clipping comment. I have a Harman/ Kardon AVR 630 and I have not heard any clipping pushing all 7 speakers at full volume, but that is usually deafening. Normal viewing I play at -30 to -40 and "movie night" with a full house I play at -20 at most.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247329" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247329">Andy Rondeau</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247329" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247329" class="dsq-comment-message">As someone who uses 6.1 daily, I strongly disagree with this article.  About two years ago I purchased a new reciever, and it had 6.1, even though I only had 5 speakers in my setup.  Being the home theater nerd, I pulled some junky speakers out of my closet and wired them up with some spare wire.  I was impressed.  Today, my listening room is quite small, yet 6.1 makes a huge difference.  (I strech the rear center channel between two speakers.)  DTS Neo:6, my prefered decoder for 2-channel source material, sounds much more natural in 6 channels.  5.1 DVDs likewise sound better because the soundfield spreads naturally behind me.  (I don&#039;t use the rear-center for DVD-A/SACD.)  6.1 and 7.1 aren&#039;t "break the bank" features, but home theater enthusiasts like me will certainly enjoy them!</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247314" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247314">Karl VIklund</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247314" class="dsq-comment-message">Very very nice! Thanks!</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247330">DF</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247330" class="dsq-comment-message">Well I&#039;m of two minds.  For NOW 5.1 is fine, however with the advent of HD, I suspect you&#039;ll find there is more detail to be had in 7.1 systems.  And honestly even by that I refer to 6.1 as well by simply the added detail of a far rear surround.  If your ears are good there is an effect to be had and notice from such a system.  What I think your article does, however is point out that there is not MUCH need presently and even in the near future for more than 5.1.  I have the 7.1 setup but a receiver that currently only does 6.1.  I did not hook up the far rears yet, and I am primarily not doing so because the full HD format war has not come to an end, nor are there receivers out that yet fully resolve the new standards (well that are affordable).  I did use the Klipsch option because I was aware of the soundfield and sensitivity issue, but most folks are happy to walk home with a tiny Bose system that performs in mediocre fashion and call it a day.<br  /><br><br  /><br>What I think you alluded to, but should have stated strongly is that you are far better off spending any money you&#039;d have spent on a 7.1 system on BETTER 5.1 parts.  Taking home more, but far less quality speakers and amp, is not going to do anything to give you enjoyment from the money spent.  And that is key.  The only reason I went to 7.1 on the speaker side is because I upgraded my side surrounds to a better quality level and I didn&#039;t have much to do with the previous ones, so I just moved them to the rear.  I don&#039;t care if they add much, they were a freebie from that angle.  I did, and advocate to others spend money well on the primary 5.1 arrangement.<br  /><br><br  /><br>The next gen standards are almost here, but the content will still take time to make anything worthwhile.  By this time next year, however you might sing a slightly different tune in regards to 6.1/7.1.  Again, we all too often justify that for spending money now which is foolish.  These items get better quality and cheaper as time moves on and 1 year can be a big change.<br  /><br><br  /><br>So you are right, 5.1 for now, but bear in mind to keep an eye (or ear in this case) on the new standards that are just about for sale, and weigh that into next year&#039;s column.<br  /><br><br  /><br>:)<br  /></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247333">AqLumen</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247333" class="dsq-comment-message">I imagine setting up a 6.1 or 7.1 system would be quite a hassle for most people. The extra speakers just don&#039;t offer a clear advantage over a 5.1 setup. I&#039;d rather save the money and purchase a quality set of 5.1 speakers or a better receiver/amplifier.<br  /><br><br  /><br>On my PC I have yet to hear better sound than from my Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1--and I&#039;ve tried Logitech, Boston Acoustics, Creative, and other major brands. Some may be louder (like Logitech) but not as accurate.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247331">putergeek</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247331" class="dsq-comment-message">Hey why not just hook up an insane amount of speakers like I did for movie night at my house. I have 5.1 running off my sound card in my pc. I play everything through my pc and then just put splitters on my card so I have 5 seperatly powered speaker systems oriented all around the room so that the volume on each individual speaker can be lower. This allows people sitting close to a speaker to not be overwhelmed and turns the entire room into a sweet spot:D<br  /><br><br  /><br>Here is my setup. I have a 5.1 speaker set hooked up to proper jacks. I have a splitter that puts two 2.0 speaker sets on the front right and left channels, two 2.0 speaker sets on the rear left and right channels, a special splitter takes stereo signal and creates different monotone signals from the sub and center channels port. This lets me hook up the center channel to my tv giving more center producing speakers(at a lower volume) when it is actually used and the sub channel to an additional sub when the extra umph is needed in say a combat game when you fire a gun. You are hit by the bass from two different dirrections so it feels like you are right in the middle of it instead of off to the side.<br  /><br><br  /><br>You may say im crazy but thats ok because my setup sounds so encompassing there is no comparision for the price I paid. My 5.1 cost only $60 and each of the 2.0&#039;s cost $5 a set and the five splitters cost $2.50 a piece and yes they are gold plated. I always shop around looking for good deals. Using four 2.0 speaker sets allows you to perchase cheap ons as you find them. I have two different types and yet they all look beautiful. Oh and to make me sound a little less extreme here is a link to a site where a guy has 24 true seperate channels in his house running off of his pc:<br  /><br> <a href="http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000477034692/" title="http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000477034692/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000477034692/</a><br  /><br><br  /><br>Enjoy<br  /><br>~putergeek</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247334">Antonio Chuh</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247334" class="dsq-comment-message">I entirely agree with Mark. Owning a 7.1-capable receiver and having hooked up 5.1 speakers, I have my dvd, Xbox, Xbox 360 and PS2 all connected digitally to the receiver. 5.1 speakers are source-faithful and more than adequate to meet my dvd-watching and gaming needs.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247335">ken gibbs</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247335" class="dsq-comment-message">I have a 7.1 system that includes a seperate power amp.  The biggest difference I notice (in movies) is the rear sound seems more encompassing.  Not a hugh difference from 5.1 and yeah the 6th and 7th channels are mostly "fake" but it is an enjoyable</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247336">ken gibbs</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247336" class="dsq-comment-message">I have a 7.1 system that includes a seperate power amp.  The biggest difference I notice (in movies) is the rear sound seems more encompassing.  Not a hugh difference from 5.1 and yeah the 6th and 7th channels are mostly "fake" but it is an enjoyable and noticable difference.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247337">broderick</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247337" class="dsq-comment-message">Actually I&#039;m on here doing research because of my new job at Best Buy.  My boss told me it is of upmost importance to learn these.  I think it&#039;s more of a marketing strategy to talk people into buying the 7.1, and if not better the 5.1 than nothing at all.  Only thing is, customeers know when you are trying to make a sale and you are trying to really be helpful.  At least I know I can tell.  Anyway I&#039;ll just go by what I&#039;ve learned here as far as space in their theatre room or if the person is a tech geek and likes the latest gadgets.  Thanks for all the helpful info.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247338">Hal Hamilton</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247338" class="dsq-comment-message">Why have more speakers in back than in front? For one, about 60-70% of what you hear in music and theater is reflected, not direct. In a movie mix, it is often much more than that at certain points in time. As the media improves (HD, BlueRay) you&#039;ll see more mixes exploiting the improved surround capacity. So if you have a 5.1 system, enjoy. If you&#039;re doing something new, I&#039;d advise you think about where things are headed.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247339">Vaylen</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247339" class="dsq-comment-message">All this about 5.1 and 7.1 is fine but the real point is what you want out of the audio setup and where are you going to be listening. Room size is critical in determining what kind of setup you end up with that will do what you want to do.<br  /><br><br  /><br>A listening area of less then 300 sq ft is completely different as to the system required. Most important is what you will use for. If it&#039;s home theatre and less than 300 sq ft, then 5.1 will do just fine. But if you are like me and have some 600 sq ft with ten foot ceilings then 7.1 makes a lot more sense for creating the immersive threatre experience.<br  /><br><br  /><br>If you want classical music then spend all you money on two speakers and a sub and the amp. Rock music the same except the sub is a little more important. Like it loud then more power. For games the surround part becomes important. <br  /><br><br  /><br>Most people don&#039;t appreciate all the fine detail available in an expensive system. The trick is to determine what "you" want and where you are going to have all this fun. Doing movies right requires more room and more money to get those "star wars" effects. The type of music makes the job different and the equipment a lot different. My advise is to start off small and grow into the type of system you really need and want. No one listens - they spend the most they can afford to get the biggest and baddest immediately. And they usually love it.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Another thing all this misses is content. A bad movie or a bad song won&#039;t be any good no matter how much you throw at equipment. The best movie experience I ever had was watching for the first time, "Silence of the Lambs", on a thirty inch ten year old Magnavox CRT TV with the two little tv speakers providing my audio. It&#039;s all about content to me. The equipment might make it a better experience, but it&#039;s still the content that immereces you in that reality. Eric is great on my little bitty computer speakers.<br  /><br><br  /><br> <br  /></div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247340" href="http://www.stinternet.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">D. Sampson</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247340" class="dsq-comment-message">From my personal experience I have to agree with this artical for the most part. As I went to blockbuster today, they only have 2 movies with 6.1 the rest was 5.1 and lower. But my opinion on the 5 vs. 7 speakers, I think 7 is much better, couse like say if a missile was launched from behind you then the sound would come from behind you fading to the side surround to the front. It is really quiet awesome, even though I have only experienced this with 1 movie so far. I imagine more 6.1 and 7.1 movies will come out.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247341">john dudich</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247341" class="dsq-comment-message">I&#039;ve had a thx certified 7.2 system for over a year.  I used my old receiver for the rear speakers. I have a front pair of speakers with fifteen inch woofers, I used the TV speakers for the center and all my side and rear speakers have twelve in woofers.  Total power around nine hundred watts.  Till blueray came out used a digital VHS with D=theater 7.2 sound.  I do all this in a sixteen by twenty foot room.  Overkill  Yes but don&#039;t let any of these guys tell you it doesn&#039;t sound great.  Letting the system play music this way has to be heard to be believed. Santa&#039;s bringing me a blueray player.  The next generation is here. So if money is no object or your just a little nuts like me  go the seven two route</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247342">John</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247342" class="dsq-comment-message">I have solved the problem. I am getting an Onkyo HT-S790 which is a 7.1 However I am putting the two rear behind you speakers in my hope chest and hope one day I can take them out and use them instead of buying a new system. I believe in the next 5 to 7 years most dvd&#039;s will be in 7.1.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247343">rick everest</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247343" class="dsq-comment-message">hey listen here all you fags and drags! a nice 2 channel system (paradigm speakers, denon amp) can really make you think about most 5.1 systems, if you really want a true natural and not over hyped system get a denon 5.1 amp matched with the paradigm(or infinity) speakers and you will forever laugh at any 6 or 7.1</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247344">Jon Isenberg</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247344" class="dsq-comment-message">What a sensible review of surround which is practical and eliminates the ridulousness of ever-expanding multichannel formats with the finite space of a house or apartment! Mark makes excellent points of quality over quantity and not being overwhelmed with gimicky multi-channel formats.<br  /><br> Now if Mark can bring his expertise in a similar way to understanding the HDTV world including the need to upgrade channel or satelite TV in order to get a HD signal. How much is HDTV of this going to cost when said and done?<br  /><br>Thanks for bringing quality audio and visual electronics down to earth!!<br  /><br>Jon</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247352">KermitTF</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247352" class="dsq-comment-message">Since 1985, I had been running 2.0 from a Scott system. Kinda more like 2.1, since the 2 Jensons have 15"&#039;s in them to begin with (found the resonant frequency of the house when I plugged my fretless longneck into the 1/4" input of the amp, and was playing some licks, and the whole house rumbled on a certain note lol).<br  /><br><br  /><br>As with most of my purchases, I look to what the future may hold, so when I do buy something (rareity in itself), I get the best out there.<br  /><br><br  /><br>I just retired the 2.0 system and purchased a 7.1 receiver, with loads of inputs, analog and digital, and some component ins/outs. The component video stuff is useless right now, since I am still on a 27" CRT from 10 years ago. But I know I will someday move to a plasma HD (DLP has issues I dont agree with, and LCDs just arent as bright IMHO).<br  /><br>I have extra speakers laying around (from friends who upgraded and gave me their cast-offs, still in excellent quality)and with rolls of speaker cable laying around from customer installations. So I went ahead and strung up all 7 speakers (no sub needed-remember the above named Jensons).<br  /><br><br  /><br>Its interesting to see what the ProLogic does and it does somewhat increase the audible field IMHO. I was snapping my head around when I heard something rapping on the back wall, or when I hear noises behind me (XBOX/PS2 games).<br  /><br><br  /><br>I have a fairly long room with the seating centered it the room, so it does fill in the space at low volumes. It is clean as far as I could take it (sensitive to extreme loud sound). Sounded as clean as a friend&#039;s high end system with electrostatics up to where I could stand it.<br  /><br><br  /><br>I may rewires the Jensons to be bi-ampable and use the backs for that purpose (receiver is capable) some day just to see the effect, but right now, I am quite pleased with running on 7.<br  /><br>It may just be still the novelty of having so many right now.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247355">Chris</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247355" class="dsq-comment-message">Hello - I have 5.1 speakers and 5.1 wiring in the walls of the room. All the receivers appear to be 7.1. Which speakers should I hook up to the rear speakers? Rear or Sides?</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247360">Calvin Beasley</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247360" class="dsq-comment-message">Thanks this was very informative, as I am now just having to reenter the market to get another surround receiver and was just trying to decide if I should move up to 6.1 or 7.1. But after reading this article, I know now that I will stay with 5.1 as I&#039;ve been since 2000. You just saved me alot of money</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247357">Calvin Beasley</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247357" class="dsq-comment-message">Thanks this was very informative, as I am now just having to reenter the market to get another surround receiver and was just trying to decide if I should move up to 6.1 or 7.1. But after reading this article, I know now that I will stay with 5.1 as I&#039;ve been since 2000. You just saved me alot of money</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247361">Eric J.</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247361" class="dsq-comment-message">I have 3 sound feilds thru out my home...my son&#039;s living room is 5.1, our living room is 6.1 and i just finished off my basement with 7.1.  I have all recivers set for ("5pck") which means 5.1 and i change it only if the movie calls for a ("6pck")again means 6.1.  Since I havent seen any 7.1 movies yet i know i made a great choice with 7.1 reicever because i get to enjoy the 5.1 and 6.1 all in one amp....so buy what ya want cause i bought 7.1 for 975sqft and it does feel the room.</div>\
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	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247362" href="http://www.anarsist.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">greg</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247362" class="dsq-comment-message">looks very interesting, thanks for article.<br  /><br><br  /><br>regards,<br  /><br> <a href="http://www.anarsist.org/" title="http://www.anarsist.org/" target="_blank" ref="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.anarsist.org/</a></div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247368">jesse</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247368" class="dsq-comment-message">I run a 5.1 in a medium sized room and have found that speaker placement can be crucial.  The room is not big enough to place the couch out away from the back wall, but I have discovered that if they are flown overhead inward at 45 degree angles it is perfect.  Another trick I found was to fly the center and leave the mains on the floor.  The separation adds to the center channel clarity.  <br  /><br><br  /><br>It&#039;s a little weird, but in a much small room I also got away with laying the rear channels flat on their backs to the left and right of the couch and that also worked for recreating the rear channel effect.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Anyway, just encouraging people with challenging spaces to really play around.  You can probably find a way to get the sound you want seeing as it all comes down to acoustics provided you have semi-decent gear.<br  /><br><br  /><br>rig:<br  /><br><br  /><br>bottom end sony 5.1 dts (does fine for now but lacks in definition the larger the speaker you use)<br  /><br>Powered Paradigm 8" sub (front firing)<br  /><br>Wharfedale CRS 5 LR mains<br  /><br>Wharfedale CRS 3 LR rears<br  /><br>Bose Center<br  /><br><br  /><br>I want to get the Wharfedale Opus 1 center but this college student cannot afford it yet.<br  /><br><br  /><br>I watch an unhealthy amount of movies and have not felt the need to upgrade to 5.1.  A nicer amp maybe, after student loans are paid off.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247372">Adrian</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247372" class="dsq-comment-message">5.1 or 7.1 are you a hobbyist or enthusiast? If you enjoy the real home theatre experience go the the 7.1 regardless that most movies only support 5.1 it is only a matter of time before it is 7.1 and future proofing your investment(for at least 5 years) seams very worth it besides who really wants to listen to an inferior sound system like 5.1 when there is 7.1</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247373" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247373" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247373">Gary Harris</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247373" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247373" class="dsq-comment-message">One thing, all of these comments, taken as a whole, should tell those who are in the market for theatre sound, is that (all technical jargon and expertise aside) if you want to buy the sound that will please you the most, get out to the stores set up with sound demonstration rooms and actually listen to multiple examples of rooms set up for 5.1 & 7.1 sound. (KNOW) what (YOU) like best. Let`s face it, we don`t all have the same ears, or the same sound processing equipment between our ears. What to one, is a superfluous addition, to another makes notable difference & therefore a worthwhile investment. If your comparison shopping shows that you appreciate a difference between 5.1  7.1, that`s reason enough to go with what you like best and enjoy the fruits of your well considered choice for years to come.</div>\
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	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247377">Ford</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247377" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247377" class="dsq-comment-message">Can I hook up a 7.1 blu ray DVD player to a 5.1 receiver and have it sound ok?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247378" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247378" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247378">Ford</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247378" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247378" class="dsq-comment-message">Can I hook up a 7.1 blu ray DVD player to a 5.1 receiver and have it sound ok?</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247379" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247379" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247379" href="http://www.kdkanopy.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Canopies</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247379" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247379" class="dsq-comment-message">This article is a great resource where 5.1 and 7.1 are concerned.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247380" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247380" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247380" href="http://www.connectorcountry.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Electrical Connectors</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247380" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247380" class="dsq-comment-message">Does DTS-HD support 5.1 or 7.1?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247381" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247381" href="http://www.foodbeautiful.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Holistic Nutritionist</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247381" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247381" class="dsq-comment-message">I fully agree!  5.1 is by far the best solution for anyone setting up a theater for the first time.  Do not get involved in the hype that 7.1 is generating.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247383" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247383" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247383">David</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247383" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247383" class="dsq-comment-message">I bought a 6.1 system because it provided the best performance for the cost.  The sixth speaker has been in a drawer since I bought it--and there it shall remain.  All my friends comment on how amazing movies sound on my system.  I&#039;ve never bothered to tell them about my "spare".</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247386" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247386" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247386">Brian</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247386" class="dsq-comment-message">With BluRay and HD-DVD delivering 7.1 discrete audio with lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTSMA, I&#039;m not sure why people are referring to 7.1 as marketing hype? IMO, this article was well stated at the time (nearly 2 yrs ago) but it doesn&#039;t reflect the current tech out there.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247389" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247389" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247389">Chris</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247389" class="dsq-comment-message">I must admit I have a 7.1 system but I have a valid reason.  I had a bad lightning strike on my home and it blew out my tuner despite my Monster SP.  I recieved a check in the mail from Monster for all of the blown out componets and got a great deal on an Onkyo 7.1 with true 80 watts per channel. No Clipping in this household!!  I have it set up and it sounds great in 7.1  Now to just get those media chair sets without my wife noticing</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247392" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247392">Cold0ne</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247392" class="dsq-comment-message">The only time 7.1 matters is with gaming. I had 7.1s around me with an audigy 2 at one point, and games which support a full 7.1 immersive sound are amazing, because as you turn around the voices move around you smoothly. with 5.1 its still pretty nice and the sound still moves around you smoothly, but its a harsher jump at the back since there is no middle speaker. i understand 6.1, it makes sense, 1 middle speaker in the front and 1 middle speaker in the back to make the transition from left/right more smooth in a 3D environment. but what the hell is 7.1? it makes no sense to have 4 speakers in the back and 3 in the front. quite simply they should have began with 4.1, then moved on to adding a center speaker front and rear (6.1), and then adding center speakers to your left and right (8.1) for the maximal surround sound. But the world works in strange and RETARDED ways, and we are stuck with 5.1 which is acceptable, 6.1 which is the most logical but least supported type, and an idiotic 7.1 option which makes no sense. thank you human race, you have outdone yourself yet again.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247398" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247398" href="http://marchelly.org.ua/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">marchelly</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247398" class="dsq-comment-message">It&#039;s interesting for me to read articles like this wrote by other countries citizens.<br  /><br>I&#039;ll tell that people in my country (Ukraine) usualy buy 5.1 home theater all in one box. The brands are most sven F&D and microlab for pc users and sony panasonic for others who have plasma+dvd. And even they bought 5.1 they know that 7.1 is "cool!" and cooler than 5.1 Ask them why and you will hear an unswer like: Wow 7.1 is bigger so cooler! :)<br  /><br>As for me I have Stereo for music and 5.1 for theater. But I think that it is not enoght to buy only audio system and be happy. You also must make your room "softer" to make this system work and your ears listen.<br  /><br>Sorry for my English. Want to tell more but need more English practice. Thanks to the author.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247397" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-25247397" href="http://marchelly.org.ua/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">marchelly</a>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247397" class="dsq-comment-message">It&#039;s interesting for me to read articles like this wrote by other countries citizens.<br  /><br>I&#039;ll tell that people in my country (Ukraine) usualy buy 5.1 home theater all in one box. The brands are most sven F&D and microlab for pc users and sony panasonic for others who have plasma+dvd. And even they bought 5.1 they know that 7.1 is "cool!" and cooler than 5.1 Ask them why and you will hear an unswer like: Wow 7.1 is bigger so cooler! :)<br  /><br>As for me I have Stereo for music and 5.1 for theater. But I think that it is not enoght to buy only audio system and be happy. You also must make your room "softer" to make this system work and your ears listen.<br  /><br>Sorry for my English. Want to tell more but need more English practice. Thanks to the author.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247364" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247364">rogeree</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247364" class="dsq-comment-message">When it came time to decide on upgrading my A/V receiver, the cutter was interconnecting all my components.  7.1 came for very little extra cost for me, so I have it.   But I&#039;m still waiting to hear unique sounds out of the back speakers, even from the latest bd releases.  Has anyone heard a bd disk that really shows off 7.1?<br  /></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247354" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247354">jon</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247354" class="dsq-comment-message">alot of info, got some klpsch heresy&#039;s need a good 5.1 receiver, any ideas or help. the kenwood was trash, looking for a major up grade for music and video, thanks a bunch guys.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247351" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247351">Sanjay</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247351" class="dsq-comment-message">You have to remember that this article was written in Feb &#039;06 and what amazes me is that things are just starting to pick up for 7.1 surround sound.  As stated above, the next gen video game systems has things that support it and many of them have to have the latest HDMI capabilites to run it.  Still, I don&#039;t see where I have space behind my couch (which is against the wall) to put the two rear speakers.  I just ordered a 7.1 system, but I will most likely be using only 5 speakers and a sub.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247345" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247345">TJ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247345" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247345" class="dsq-comment-message">This article was written years ago. And certainly as of this year, with all the hype over the Blu-Ray and HD DVD formats over, theatre systems have certainly come along way. <br  /><br><br  /><br>With Blu-Ray winning by a wide margin, and with movie companies favoring the format, this is certainly an exciting time for surround sound. <br  /><br><br  /><br>5.1 has been for many years been the norm for many if not every dvd release. But obviously with the invention of High def movies, and the capability of 7.1 sound, it makes sense that obviously this is the next stage in home entertainment.<br  /><br><br  /><br>It happened with music too. Cassettes, vinyl, and obviously cd coming out on top.<br  /><br><br  /><br>And the same with video, including video cassettes, dvd, and now High Def dvd&#039;.<br  /><br><br  /><br>And obviously with the new HD format, you get better sound too. You get to be even more immersed in the sound that films bring.<br  /><br><br  /><br>So i would recommend moving with the age were in. A digital revolution. We are seeing it in Digital Cinema, and now obviously we get to have that in the consumer market also.<br  /><br><br  /><br>7.1 set up is the way to go, but obviously, unless the price of receivers and speakers as a package or sold separately come down, and if the systems and their capabilities are explained to the people who become confused with the technical stuff, i think it will ultimately always be people with 7.1 Blu-Ray surround set ups, vs. people with 5.1 dvd.<br  /><br><br  /><br>Thats the choice we have. Im gonna go figure for a bit, and wait for prices to come down, and for the market to become much clearer with any luck.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247346" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247346">Dima</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247346" class="dsq-comment-message">Hi guys!<br  /><br>I really enjoyed reading the article and replies. Thank you! However, I have one question regarding the 7.1-&gt;5.1 backwards compatibility. If I setup my speakers according to 7.1 scheme and listen a 5.1 source I assume that the rear surround speakers will not be used and only surround speakers (pointed at my ears) will be used. However, according to 5.1 requirements rear surround speakers should be behind a person, not perpendicular to his head. <br  /><br><br  /><br>Thank you for an answer!<br  /><br><br  /><br>(sorry for my English)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247350" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247350" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247350">TJ</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247350" class="dsq-comment-message">Regarding your question. From my knowledge of surround sound. And more over the difference between 5.1 and 7.1 functionality. <br  /><br><br  /><br>I believe that, if you had a 7.1 setup, but was watching say for example a dvd that had a 5.1 soundtrack, the sound would be output from the speakers to the very rear. Not to the speakers (Pointing at your ears)<br  /><br><br  /><br>Hope this helps. Tell me if im wrong : ]</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247353" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247353">Chris</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247353" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247353" class="dsq-comment-message">Who determins what a small, medium, large,and huge home theater room is.</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247375" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247375" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247375">Andy</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247375" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247375" class="dsq-comment-message">I went straight from basic stereo headphones to 7.1 surround sound. I use it on my computer, which is what I watch all my movies off of, play all my pc games off of, and even run optical audio through from my xbox into my pc.  I can say that the difference between 5.1 and 7.1 while watching movies is quite minimal, though the difference is definitely still there, but when gaming on 7.1, that exact sound location makes all the difference of survival.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247371" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247371">Terry Phillips</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247371" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247371" class="dsq-comment-message">I am considering upgrading my receiver from 5.1 to 7.1 but continue using my 5.1 speakers for now.  Could that be a problem?  My close friend builds star tour buses and he said they had to put in 7.1 due to the blue-ray players.  He said it would play but was not compatible.  On a million dollar bus everything had to be perfect.  Any Comment?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247395" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247395">Richard</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247395" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247395" class="dsq-comment-message">I have a 7.1 amp, but I don&#039;t think I&#039;d use anything above five channels unless my room was somewhere close to 100 cubic metres.<br  /><br><br  /><br>5.0 &gt; 4.1 ! I&#039;d rather have a center channel than a subwoofer any day.<br  /><br><br  /><br>SDDS in cinemas - yeah, good when you get it. But I saw Bond last week in an SDDS cinema, and they played the Dolby trailer beforehand, which can only mean that they played a Dolby version of the movie.<br  /></div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247394" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247394">Richard</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247394" class="dsq-comment-message">I have a 7.1 amp, but I don&#039;t think I&#039;d use anything above five channels unless my room was somewhere close to 100 cubic metres.<br  /><br><br  /><br>5.0 &gt; 4.1 ! I&#039;d rather have a center channel than a subwoofer any day.<br  /><br><br  /><br>SDDS in cinemas - yeah, good when you get it. But I saw Bond last week in an SDDS cinema, and they played the Dolby trailer beforehand, which can only mean that they played a Dolby version of the movie.<br  /></div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247376" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247376" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247376">Monkeys</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247376" class="dsq-comment-message">I have a 7.1 Yamaha AV Receiver setup for the home theater is 5.1 and will continue to do just that. <br  /><br><br  /><br>I had realized some time back that I was happy with 5.1 even when I play Blue Ray disks with 7.1 and borrowed extra speakers from a mate to test at home.<br  /><br><br  /><br>INSTEAD of 7.1 setup I have gone 5.1 + used the extra channels to Bi-Amp the front speakers. Sounds great be happy guys... :-)</div>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-25247396" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247396" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247396">George</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247396" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247396" class="dsq-comment-message">I have a 7.1 surround sound home theater room that is 12x14 and if I put it on 5.1 mode it doesn&#039;t sound as good. The extra back channels fill the room with more sound. If you by better quality equipment you won&#039;t get problems with overheating and low quality sound at higher volumes. I went with 2 TSI500 (front), 4 VM10&#039;s (side and rear), subwoofer is a PSW125, and one CS2 (Center channel). My reciever is pioneer VSX-01TXH and is in pioneer&#039;s high end series. This reciever is a great solution to overheating. I recomend this setup for good sound quality and a great home theater sound experience.</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247365" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247365">Drikan</span>\
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	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247365" class="dsq-comment-message">well i like sound and after just adding a blue-ray drive to my pc i noticed that the even the blue-ray movies Ive purchased and rentend only have 5.1 now my computer can handle 7.1 but again as you said its pretty much needless. i do game and well 7.1 would be nice more range of where things are coming at ya. but again im not going to go out and buy an expensive 7.1 system for my tiny ass room. especially when i play movies on my pc its really not going to make it sound any better since there not really using 7.1.  so i&#039;ve made up my mind and im going to go get a decent 5.1 system since ill be using it for gaming and movies dose any one have any suggestions?</div>\
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	 <cite id="dsq-cite-25247363" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-25247363">Edwin Kelly</span>\
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	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-25247363" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-25247363" class="dsq-comment-message">I just got a Pioneer Elite SC-07 recently.  Bought a set of Boston Acoustics HD-7 and HD-5 boxes then added some old Bose boxes I had for 2 of the channels.<br  /><br>Wow, this is such a big difference from 5.1.  I am glad I made the switch.  I know only Start Wars and maybe a few other movies are in THX but they sound Awesome!</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-22992298">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-22992298" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-22992298" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <a id="dsq-author-user-22992298" href="http://www.cheapspeakersreview.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Jessica</a>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-22992298" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-22992298" class="dsq-comment-message">Nice articles on 7.1 speakers</div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 <li id="dsq-comment-30036332">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-header-30036332" class="dsq-comment-header">\
	 <cite id="dsq-cite-30036332" class="dsq-comment-cite">\
	 <span id="dsq-author-user-30036332">Allen Shorter</span>\
	 </cite>\
	 </div>\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-body-30036332" class="dsq-comment-body">\
	 <div id="dsq-comment-message-30036332" class="dsq-comment-message">If you have a large room, I think 7.1 does sound better to me than 5.1. I have 7.1 in a 18 x 22\' Den. I wouldn\'t say it is a HUGE difference (not worth hundreds of dollars), but if you have +5\' behind your listening position and your receiver already supports it, you should definitely try it out. I definitely do hear a much more detailed sound. I have had 5.1 for 9 months and 7.1 for the last month. Now if more Blu-Ray DVDs released would just support 7.1.<br><br>Here is a great site for tracking 7.1 released movies... <br><a href="http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php?OrderBy=ReleaseDate&Audio=7.1" rel="nofollow">http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php?Ord...</a></div>\
	 </div>\
	 </li>\
	 </ul>\
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Dsq.Debug.profile(function() {
	if(Dsq.jsonData.request.page == 1 && Dsq.jsonData.request.is_initial_load) {
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	}
	Dsq.$(Dsq.curPageId).innerHTML = Dsq.$(Dsq.curPageId).innerHTML.replace(Dsq.COMMENTS_RE, Dsq.CommentsHandler);
}); // Dsq.Debug.Profile

// HACK: Resetting cache because we're done with.
Dsq.Utils.gebiFromElementCollectionCache = null;


	
	
	var dsq_styleEl = document.getElementById(disqus_container_id);
	var dsq_anchorEl = document.getElementsByTagName('a')[0];
	
	Dsq.Thread.fc = Dsq.Utils.getStyle(dsq_styleEl, 'color');
	if(dsq_anchorEl) { Dsq.Thread.ac = Dsq.Utils.getStyle(dsq_anchorEl, 'color'); }
	Dsq.Thread.ff = Dsq.Utils.getStyle(dsq_styleEl, (Dsq.Utils.ie || window.opera ? 'fontFamily' : 'font-family'));
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	Dsq.Thread.ff = Dsq.Thread.ff.replace(/['"]/g, '');
	Dsq.Thread.fc = encodeURIComponent(Dsq.Thread.fc);
	Dsq.Thread.ac = encodeURIComponent(Dsq.Thread.ac);
	Dsq.Thread.ff = encodeURIComponent(Dsq.Thread.ff);

	
	
	
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		if (window.disqus_use_postmessage) {
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'] = new Dsq.ReplyFrame(Dsq.$(Dsq.Templates.textareaContainer));
			Dsq.frames['reply_0'].init(function() {
				// Use fallback iframe
				Dsq.$(Dsq.Templates.addPostContainer).innerHTML = '';
				var theme = (typeof disqus_frame_theme == 'undefined') ? 'default' : disqus_frame_theme;
				Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(Dsq.$(Dsq.Templates.addPostContainer), null, {theme: theme});
				// if(Dsq.Utils.ie) { Dsq.Utils.fixIframesIE(); }
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		} else {
			// DEPRECATED
			Dsq.Iframes.showReplyIframeInContainer(Dsq.$('dsq-post-add'));
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	}

	
	if(document.location.hash != '') {
		document.location.hash = document.location.hash.substring(1);
	}

	Dsq.Popup.showCookieMsgs();

	
	if(document.location.search != '' && location.hash != '#disqus_thread') {
		var reply_id = Dsq.Utils.getRequestParams().dsq;
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	if (Dsq.jsonData.integration.theme == 4) {
		if (Dsq.jsonData.realtime_enabled) {
			Dsq.Realtime.initialize();
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Dsq.Thread.showMediaEmbed();


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	// Private
	var running = false;
	var timer = null;
	var pending = [];
	var startTimer = function() {
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		timer = setInterval(obj.heartBeat, 100);
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		running = false;
		clearInterval(timer);
	};
	
	// Public
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		this.heartBeat(); //!
		if (!running) {
			startTimer();
		}
	};
	obj.heartBeat = function() {
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			stopTimer();
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window.fbIsReady = function () {return window.FB && FB.init;};
// NOTE: This script gets executed again without threadEl
//       set when we are loaded again as the fbc_receiver.
//       In this case, we don't need the hidden container.

if(!window.FB || !FB.init) {
	if(window.Dsq && Dsq.container) {
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		// we don't need the FB_HiddenContainer anyway.
		var fbDiv = document.createElement('div');
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		fbDiv.style.position = 'absolute';	// This is intentionally not setting display to none as this breaks
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		fbDiv.style.left = '-10000px';
		fbDiv.style.width = '0px';
		fbDiv.style.height = '0px';
		Dsq.container.appendChild(fbDiv);
	}
	var fbJS = document.createElement('script');
	fbJS.type = "text/javascript";
	fbJS.src = "http://static.ak.connect.facebook.com/js/api_lib/v0.4/FeatureLoader.js.php";
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			// HACK: This is a workaround FBC's single domain limitation by
			//		 allowing sites to create multiple forums with different
			//		 Facebook API keys.  This must be used in conjunction with
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				{fetchSignedPublicSessionData: true});
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}


	


if(typeof(disqus_callback) == 'function') {
	var callback_params = Dsq.Utils.getRequestParams()['dsq_cbp'] || null;

	// We don't care about any errors in third-party code
	try {
		disqus_callback(callback_params);
	} catch (x) {
		if (typeof(console) != 'undefined' && typeof(console.log) == 'function') {
			// But it would be nice to let developers know about them
			console.log(x);
		}
		// pass
	}

	// HACK: We don't know if the callback wraps our container, which may
	// possibly result in a new DOM element.
	Dsq.container = document.getElementById('dsq-content');
}

// Global event handler for narcissus.
if (Dsq.jsonData.integration.theme == 4) {
	var g = Dsq.Utils.ie ? document : window;
	Dsq.Utils.addEventListener(g, 'keydown', function(event) {
		// Handle "enter" key on input for post box.
		if ((event.keyCode || event.which) == 13) {
			var target = Dsq.Utils.ie ? event.srcElement : event.target;
			// For Safari bug, detect text node.
			if (target.nodeType == 3) {
				target = target.parentNode;
			}

			if (target.nodeName == 'INPUT' &&
				target.parentNode.className == 'dsq-input-wrapper') {
				var postId = Dsq.Utils.extractId(target);
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		}
	});
}

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